A less than common Kampilan

Ian · 22nd June 2016, 06:11 AM

Jose:

Thanks for the info and I like that figure from Holstein's book. The short handled panabas is different from the usual Moro examples, and looks more sword-like rather than a short pole arm.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by Battara

Ian, I base my thoughts on what I have seen of Ilanun kampilans, especially the hilts, which are like this one and do not seem to have "eyes", as well as seemingly slightly truncated pommel with a larger lower "jaw".

Some discussion was done here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...2&page=1&pp=30

Also here is a page from Holstein's book: Iranun and Banalingingi (1860).

Battara · 22nd June 2016, 01:28 PM

You're welcome Ian.

And I also agree with Ian on it being banati. There is also a possibility that it could be a form of narra wood burl.

In any case it is a good example of early repair, especially the way the front repair is skillfully carved into the rest of the okir. Very impressive workmanship!

Sajen · 22nd June 2016, 05:10 PM

Very nice example Albert!

Best regards,
Detlef

Gustav · 22nd June 2016, 09:23 PM

Actually only the two inserts look like banati wood, to me.

Battara · 22nd June 2016, 09:48 PM

Gustav, I had to look closely and found other parts burled as well and not just the repairs. Not that easy to see but they are there.

kai · 23rd June 2016, 01:50 AM

Thanks Albert for letting me examine this and other beauties personally!

I can't really remember the wood of this hilt but I do remember that the hilt and the repair are extremely close. Thus, I'd lean towards all pieces being banati albeit of different qualities.

Regards,
Kai

kino · 23rd June 2016, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kai

Thanks Albert for letting me examine this and other beauties personally!

I can't really remember the wood of this hilt but I do remember that the hilt and the repair are extremely close. Thus, I'd lean towards all pieces being banati albeit of different qualities.

Regards,
Kai

It was my pleasure Kai.i hope you've reverted back to your sleeping schedule. Too bad our visit with Miguel Diaz was short.

Miguel Diaz being in agreement that the wood is Luaun, perhaps only because of my initial suggestion that it was, my persuasive nature

and of course his graciousness of not correcting me.

kino · 23rd June 2016, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Very nice example Albert!

Best regards,
Detlef

Thank you Detlef.

Filtered sunlight thru a window with the hilt tilted to capture the nuances.

22nd June 2016, 01:28 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	You're welcome Ian. And I also agree with Ian on it being banati. There is also a possibility that it could be a form of narra wood burl. In any case it is a good example of early repair, especially the way the front repair is skillfully carved into the rest of the okir. Very impressive workmanship!

22nd June 2016, 05:10 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,270	Very nice example Albert! Best regards, Detlef

22nd June 2016, 09:23 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Actually only the two inserts look like banati wood, to me.

22nd June 2016, 09:48 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Gustav, I had to look closely and found other parts burled as well and not just the repairs. Not that easy to see but they are there.

23rd June 2016, 01:50 AM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Thanks Albert for letting me examine this and other beauties personally! I can't really remember the wood of this hilt but I do remember that the hilt and the repair are extremely close. Thus, I'd lean towards all pieces being banati albeit of different qualities. Regards, Kai