French An XIII conversion?

corrado26 · 23rd May 2016, 02:55 PM

That's right. This pistol M 1816/38UM with ramrod was made for the heavy Belgium cavalry, whereas the same pistol without a ramrod was made for the light cavalry. The "ELG" mark was by the way used from 1810 to 1897
corrado26

Raymond · 24th May 2016, 01:17 AM

Hi Fernando, Corrado26 and GIO,

Got some good information from you gentlemen.

Thank you!

Am I correct in saying that this is ( probably) a Belgian Heavy Cavalry Pistol circa 1816 - 18?? converted from a Belgian copy of the An XIII?

I can see a sanded off (?) part of the barrel where the Leige proof could have been. Alas, it is only a blur.

Thanks again!

Ray

corrado26 · 24th May 2016, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond

Am I correct in saying that this is ( probably) a Belgian Heavy Cavalry Pistol circa 1816 - 18?? converted from a Belgian copy of the An XIII?

This is not a copy of the French An13 pistol but a copy of the French M 1816/22 pistol
corrado26

Raymond · 25th May 2016, 10:33 PM

Thank You again, Corrado26,

May I ask one last question? Do you know what the "UM" stands for?

I am most appreciative of your time and patience in answering my queries!

Ray

corrado26 · 26th May 2016, 03:33 PM

UM is a German abreviation and stands for "Umänderungs-Modell", what means in French "Modèle Transformé" or in English "Transformed model" - from flintlock to Percussion
corrado26

Raymond · 28th May 2016, 01:05 AM

Danke!!

Ray

rickystl · 28th May 2016, 03:11 PM

Don't think I've ever Posted this pistol. So maybe this Thread would be a good time.
This appears to be a BELGIUM copy of a French AN-XIII Pistol. Note the iron mounts versus brass mounts as with the original French pistol. The same Belgium proof mark per above, is on the top of the breech area of the barrel.
This is the only IRON mounted copy I've ever seen. Sort of tough to date this one. But probably made during the same time period.
Rick.

23rd May 2016, 02:55 PM	#1
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,239	That's right. This pistol M 1816/38UM with ramrod was made for the heavy Belgium cavalry, whereas the same pistol without a ramrod was made for the light cavalry. The "ELG" mark was by the way used from 1810 to 1897 corrado26 Attached Images

24th May 2016, 01:17 AM	#2
Raymond Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10	Hi Fernando, Corrado26 and GIO, Got some good information from you gentlemen. Thank you! Am I correct in saying that this is ( probably) a Belgian Heavy Cavalry Pistol circa 1816 - 18?? converted from a Belgian copy of the An XIII? I can see a sanded off (?) part of the barrel where the Leige proof could have been. Alas, it is only a blur. Thanks again! Ray Last edited by fernando; 24th May 2016 at 10:03 AM. Reason: No appraisals allowed in discussion forum

28th May 2016, 03:11 PM	#7
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Don't think I've ever Posted this pistol. So maybe this Thread would be a good time. This appears to be a BELGIUM copy of a French AN-XIII Pistol. Note the iron mounts versus brass mounts as with the original French pistol. The same Belgium proof mark per above, is on the top of the breech area of the barrel. This is the only IRON mounted copy I've ever seen. Sort of tough to date this one. But probably made during the same time period. Rick. Attached Images

25th May 2016, 10:33 PM	#4
Raymond Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10	Thank You again, Corrado26, May I ask one last question? Do you know what the "UM" stands for? I am most appreciative of your time and patience in answering my queries! Ray

26th May 2016, 03:33 PM	#5
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,239	UM is a German abreviation and stands for "Umänderungs-Modell", what means in French "Modèle Transformé" or in English "Transformed model" - from flintlock to Percussion corrado26

28th May 2016, 01:05 AM	#6
Raymond Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10	Danke!! Ray