Where are these two shields from?

[Jens Nordlunde]

Tom,
The shield is from: Orientalisches Sammlung Henri Moser-Charlottenfels, 1955 and the authors are Rudolf Zeller and Ernst F. Rohrer.

The shield attached is shown in the Afghan chapter, and the authors are very careful not to mention how old it is. They do, however, give some measurers.
Diameter 38.1 cm
Hight 7 cm
Thickness 1 mm
Weight 1.365 kg
The shield is made of iron with brass decorations.

[colin henshaw]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Tom,
The shield is from: Orientalisches Sammlung Henri Moser-Charlottenfels, 1955 and the authors are Rudolf Zeller and Ernst F. Rohrer.

The shield attached is shown in the Afghan chapter, and the authors are very careful not to mention how old it is. They do, however, give some measurers.
Diameter 38.1 cm
Hight 7 cm
Thickness 1 mm
Weight 1.365 kg
The shield is made of iron with brass decorations.

This dhal I have, looks very similar to the one illustrated in this book...

[iskender]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Tom,
The shield is from: Orientalisches Sammlung Henri Moser-Charlottenfels, 1955 and the authors are Rudolf Zeller and Ernst F. Rohrer.

The shield attached is shown in the Afghan chapter, and the authors are very careful not to mention how old it is. They do, however, give some measurers.
Diameter 38.1 cm
Hight 7 cm
Thickness 1 mm
Weight 1.365 kg
The shield is made of iron with brass decorations.

good day , a similar shield like the H.R.Charlottenburg example in my collection , 35 cm diameter, has these crestcent decorations as this one. In the glossary of g.stone under "dahl " no place of origin is given.In the book "arms and armor from iran" there are two shields cat 373 and cat 376 with halfmoons pointing to a muslimstate in iran. this shield i would put in between the borders of the mugahl empire 1525 or 1605 hindu kush /punjab. as for the age it is hard to say .in the book of e.jaiwant paul there is also a moon declaird as the symbol of the Chandravanshi raiputs. best regards iskender

[Jens Nordlunde]

I dont know enough about shields to tell the age and from where they are.

It could have a Muslim origin, but there is also another possibility. It could origin from one of the lunar born clans, like Bhati, Chandelas, Chudasama, Jadauna, Jadeja, Katoch, Tomares and others.
The Bhati's did at one time rule in Sind, Punjab and even in Afghanistan.
A few pointers for further research.

[TCole]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

I dont know enough about shields to tell the age and from where they are.

It could have a Muslim origin, but there is also another possibility. It could origin from one of the lunar born clans, like Bhati, Chandelas, Chudasama, Jadauna, Jadeja, Katoch, Tomares and others.
The Bhati's did at one time rule in Sind, Punjab and even in Afghanistan.
A few pointers for further research.

Surely the presence of the crescent moon is not an exclusive indicator of Muslim origin. The technique, the iconography/design seems to me would be more important to consider. The similarity of the shield from 1955 book and Colin's shield is striking. But none of these others have paint/lacquer like this, do they?

[TCole]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

I dont know enough about shields to tell the age and from where they are.

It could have a Muslim origin, but there is also another possibility. It could origin from one of the lunar born clans, like Bhati, Chandelas, Chudasama, Jadauna, Jadeja, Katoch, Tomares and others.
The Bhati's did at one time rule in Sind, Punjab and even in Afghanistan.
A few pointers for further research.

Thank you very much. Guessing the other one to the left has no place of origin? I am guessing the generic attribution of Benares might be used on this one?

This "Benares" attribution appears to be used on material that most agree is "late", ie. circa 1900 - 20? But surely enameled shields were made elsewhere at that time and before as well, given the skill of craftsmanship seen in weapons (daggers/sword hilts)? I'm curious.. just looking at photographs of material and trying to place it in terms of geography rather than a chronology with dates.