mongolian bulu throwing club?

[blue lander]

I showed them to my Mongolian wife, she has heard of them but never saw them used. She thinks they're called tsuihayah but she's not sure on the spelling. Nothing comes up if you google it.

[Timo Nieminen]

Yet another region where boomerangs have been used! Not just Australia, India, Egypt/Ethiopia, and North America, but also Mongolia. (Does anybody has further additions to the list?

Some more boomerang stuff:
Pitt Rivers and the boomerang: http://england.prm.ox.ac.uk/englishn...echnology.html
Indian steel boomerang: http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=558

[ausjulius]

Originally Posted by Timo Nieminen

Yet another region where boomerangs have been used! Not just Australia, India, Egypt/Ethiopia, and North America, but also Mongolia. (Does anybody has further additions to the list?

Some more boomerang stuff:
Pitt Rivers and the boomerang: http://england.prm.ox.ac.uk/englishn...echnology.html
Indian steel boomerang: http://www.oriental-arms.co.il/item.php?id=558

actual boomerang like weapons
the maori had a flat throwing club long and like a propeller , named hoeroa,
these were weapons though large and of wood or whale bone. this weapon is throing like a boomerang.

[blue lander]

I showed the pictures to another group of older Mongolians - they said the sticks were Chinese and the people throwing them were Chinese too even though there's a wall scroll of Genghis Khan in the background of one of the pictures. Many Outer Mongolians don't consider Inner Mongolians to be "real" Mongolian because they're culturally Chinese, maybe that's what they meant. It's also very well possible any memory of the sport was lost during Soviet times.

[ausjulius]

Originally Posted by blue lander

I showed the pictures to another group of older Mongolians - they said the sticks were Chinese and the people throwing them were Chinese too even though there's a wall scroll of Genghis Khan in the background of one of the pictures. Many Outer Mongolians don't consider Inner Mongolians to be "real" Mongolian because they're culturally Chinese, maybe that's what they meant. It's also very well possible any memory of the sport was lost during Soviet times.

im ot sure i understand what you mean by culturally chinese.. inner mongoian mongols speak mongolian and marry pretty much only other mongolian people ,live separately from the chinese migrants. eat different food and they (unlike people in mongolian) still use and read mongolian script.. they dont have much in common with chinese except that their existence is in the hands of the PRC government.. and maybey a strong mutual dislike for each other.

the chinggis khan statue in china is just regular ethnic propaganda.. they do this in eveny ethnic minority region, dai minority region has lots of pagodas and such, turkmen have their own state sanctioned monuments ect ect. just as was done in the soviet union... (well maybe a little more crudely..although the pretense of brotherly fraternity the soviets had is not even there in china. its basically build statue for native and then move to next 5 year plan.. )



these things are defiantly not chinese.. sure people throwing them might have been chinese but in the articles when translated they are clearly saying they are used by Mongolian minority at their naadam festivals and also untill recent times from hunting.. some of the images seem at a university on some sites so there id guess most would be chinese as mongolians are a small minority in their own land these days.. but it is clearly not mentioned to be anything Chinese .. buy the chinese who were writing these articles. and its mentioned clearly as some ethno curiosity.

mongolins in inner mongolia are far more traditional when compared to mongolians in mongolia.. and russia, poorer country, less developed, less outside contact. just like kazakhs in kazakhstan compared to kazakhs in mongloia or china.ther eis nobody hunting with eagle in kazakhstan and no blacksmith tool or knife makers ect while kazakhs in china still were making and using swords and firearms last 50 years, still hunt with eagles and still make many household items by hand..
in inner mongolia they were until 1945 very must in a feudal state, unlike mongolia.. . and since then had many chinese migrants settled by force on their land, such situation can preserve some ethno customs in the face of persecution.
its likely that there is lots of customs that Mongolians in mongolia would consider very odd or backward or not know about..might be quite common there..

[ausjulius]

Originally Posted by blue lander

I showed them to my Mongolian wife, she has heard of them but never saw them used. She thinks they're called tsuihayah but she's not sure on the spelling. Nothing comes up if you google it.

yeah there must be a khalkha name for them for sure (khalkha is the language use don most of the mongolian internetz.. or buryat)... even if they didnt use them for 300 years or so its like we still have a word for a halberd.. even though we havent used them in along time..
but it depends on what ethnic group your wife is from . maybe ask her to write it in cyrillic khalkha there might be something on the net???
anyway if i cant get one of thee ill try to make one especially with the weighted ball. im curious how it flys.