what is this and where it comes from

mariusgmioc · 5th April 2016, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Thank you Marius
But the trophies on the guard are VERY Ottoman.
Is it possible that it's simply a touristic sword made in Syria or Turkey?
But if it's touristic, it's really well made...

I would have some reservations calling it "touristic." How many tourists do you think will go all the way to Turkey/Syria/Arabia generally, just to buy a "touristic" sword?! More likely it was made for the local market, albeit not for the higher end of it.

Regarding the "trophies" on the hilt, I don't think they are very relevant since the hilt itself is not very Turkish. But I'm again speculating.

Let's hope there are more knowledgeable people who can shed more light on this one.

PS: It appears the blade was etched to give it a grayish-old appearance.

Battara · 5th April 2016, 03:29 PM

The hilt looks very Syrian to me, which was part of the Ottoman Empire.

digenis · 5th April 2016, 06:51 PM

Does the blade have an edge on it? I reminds me somewhat of swords made for Masonic ceremonies ("light of the orient", etc). Some of these swords were made fairly well.

harrywagner · 5th April 2016, 07:49 PM

How thick is the blade? It seems an unusual shape. The flat slab style makes me wonder if it was intended as something other than a weapon.

Battara · 5th April 2016, 09:40 PM

A couple of other options:

1. a cut down kilij/pala

2. a marriage

Kubur · 5th April 2016, 09:52 PM

The problem it's the third one that I see.
Maybe early 20th for early tourists
or a kind of standard equipment, military?
Why a short blade? tourist suitcase, child, on boat???

Kubur · 5th April 2016, 10:05 PM

another

mariusgmioc · 6th April 2016, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

A couple of other options:

1. a cut down kilij/pala

2. a marriage

Definitely not a cut down Kilij/Pala as there is absolutely no trace of the characteristic T-shaped spine and fuller.

Now, after seeing the second example, I believe it is much more likely a marriage between an immitation of a blade (cut from sheet steel) and an immitation of a Saif hilt.

Kubur · 6th April 2016, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Two years ago, while travelling to Jordan, I was quite surprised to find the local market flooded with Indian Khanjars in Arabic style that all sellers tried to sell as locally made.

In Syria too!

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

... so, it wouldn't come as a surprise to me if even the hilt would be Indian.

I don't think. Touristic yes, but probably old and made in Syria or Turkey, until someone prove me that I'm wrong...

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

PS: Still didn't manage to fing a good quality genuine Shibryia dagger.

You are not the only one

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Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	another Attached Images

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Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	The hilt looks very Syrian to me, which was part of the Ottoman Empire.

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digenis Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 48	Does the blade have an edge on it? I reminds me somewhat of swords made for Masonic ceremonies ("light of the orient", etc). Some of these swords were made fairly well.

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harrywagner Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 373	How thick is the blade? It seems an unusual shape. The flat slab style makes me wonder if it was intended as something other than a weapon.

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Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	A couple of other options: 1. a cut down kilij/pala 2. a marriage

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Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	The problem it's the third one that I see. Maybe early 20th for early tourists or a kind of standard equipment, military? Why a short blade? tourist suitcase, child, on boat???