Haladie

estcrh · 4th April 2016, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

The haladie which Jim shows in post 3 is dated HA 1221. Its the last of the ones he shows.

Conversion of Hijri A.H. (Islamic) and A. D. Christian (Gregorian) dates, 1221=1806

Jim McDougall · 4th April 2016, 04:48 PM

Ibrahiim thank you for the note on the Sudanese haladie, which indeed are most often associated with these regions after the Mahdiyya, and many were brought back as trophies.
In Stone, he also notes these are referred to as 'Syrian' daggers, and I believe that the path to the Sudan was probably via the Mamluks, who ruled in Egypt as well as Syria. When they were driven out of Egypt they fled to the south and situated in Sudanese regions where many had already relocated earlier.
In my opinion this is the reason many of these are often covered in thuluth script, as that was a well known Mamluk affectation.

Jens, than you for pointing that out on the haladie I posted, and my apologies for not properly attributing it to one you had posted. I overlooked that in my notes. It is an extremely nice example!

Estcrh, I must say that I very much appreciate the examples and illustrations which you locate remarkably effectively and keenly pertinent to these discussions. I also would note that your well cited notes along with these are extremely helpful as supportive entries on those lines, which again highlights my faux pas with the one Jens had posted

oops.
The conversion from Hejira to Gregorian calendar most helpful too!

estcrh · 5th April 2016, 01:07 AM

Here is a short essay on haladie.

Jim McDougall · 5th April 2016, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by estcrh

Here is a short essay on haladie.

An interesting synopsis on the 'haladie'.
In the reference to Rajput favor of these double bladed weapons as effective in the melee, Rajputs are among those Indian warriors who favored fighting dismounted as a point of honor. In these circumstances, the melee would seem quite typical.

estcrh · 6th April 2016, 02:58 AM

A few more haladie and related weapons. The serrated edge haladie below is huge (107 cm or 42 inches).

5th April 2016, 01:07 AM	#3
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	Here is a short essay on haladie. Attached Images

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estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	A few more haladie and related weapons. The serrated edge haladie below is huge (107 cm or 42 inches). Attached Images Last edited by estcrh; 6th April 2016 at 04:20 AM.

4th April 2016, 04:48 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,189	Ibrahiim thank you for the note on the Sudanese haladie, which indeed are most often associated with these regions after the Mahdiyya, and many were brought back as trophies. In Stone, he also notes these are referred to as 'Syrian' daggers, and I believe that the path to the Sudan was probably via the Mamluks, who ruled in Egypt as well as Syria. When they were driven out of Egypt they fled to the south and situated in Sudanese regions where many had already relocated earlier. In my opinion this is the reason many of these are often covered in thuluth script, as that was a well known Mamluk affectation. Jens, than you for pointing that out on the haladie I posted, and my apologies for not properly attributing it to one you had posted. I overlooked that in my notes. It is an extremely nice example! Estcrh, I must say that I very much appreciate the examples and illustrations which you locate remarkably effectively and keenly pertinent to these discussions. I also would note that your well cited notes along with these are extremely helpful as supportive entries on those lines, which again highlights my faux pas with the one Jens had posted oops. The conversion from Hejira to Gregorian calendar most helpful too!