Haladie

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams Jim, Whilst these are considered as Indian I believe another very similar weapon appeared in the Sudan ...Please view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yOtCbAXq2g
In another reference please note the mention of the Madu the likely origin of this weapon formed by two horns.....and the mention of the Indian trade blade possibly being responsible for the Haladie appearing in Egypt and Sudan at http://art-of-swords.tumblr.com/post...-time-favorite
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi

[Jens Nordlunde]

The haladie which Jim shows in post 3 is dated HA 1221. Its the last of the ones he shows.

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

The haladie which Jim shows in post 3 is dated HA 1221. Its the last of the ones he shows.

Conversion of Hijri A.H. (Islamic) and A. D. Christian (Gregorian) dates, 1221=1806

[Jim McDougall]

Ibrahiim thank you for the note on the Sudanese haladie, which indeed are most often associated with these regions after the Mahdiyya, and many were brought back as trophies.
In Stone, he also notes these are referred to as 'Syrian' daggers, and I believe that the path to the Sudan was probably via the Mamluks, who ruled in Egypt as well as Syria. When they were driven out of Egypt they fled to the south and situated in Sudanese regions where many had already relocated earlier.
In my opinion this is the reason many of these are often covered in thuluth script, as that was a well known Mamluk affectation.

Jens, than you for pointing that out on the haladie I posted, and my apologies for not properly attributing it to one you had posted. I overlooked that in my notes. It is an extremely nice example!

Estcrh, I must say that I very much appreciate the examples and illustrations which you locate remarkably effectively and keenly pertinent to these discussions. I also would note that your well cited notes along with these are extremely helpful as supportive entries on those lines, which again highlights my faux pas with the one Jens had posted oops.
The conversion from Hejira to Gregorian calendar most helpful too!

[estcrh]

Here is a short essay on haladie.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Here is a short essay on haladie.

An interesting synopsis on the 'haladie'.
In the reference to Rajput favor of these double bladed weapons as effective in the melee, Rajputs are among those Indian warriors who favored fighting dismounted as a point of honor. In these circumstances, the melee would seem quite typical.

[estcrh]

A few more haladie and related weapons. The serrated edge haladie below is huge (107 cm or 42 inches).

[estcrh]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

In another reference please note the mention of the Madu the likely origin of this weapon formed by two horns.....

Madu from an Indian museum I believe and below that are steel madu, notice that the horns are semetrical and not offset as in most Indian madu and haladie, also the extreme length (33 inches) is unusual.

Indian (Maratha) madu parrying weapon, in the form of steel antelope horns, 17th century, 33 inches long. "India: Art and Culture, 1300-1900? By Stuart Cary Welch, Metropolitan Museum of Art (New York, N.Y.)