An Odd Ensemble (for me)

Bjorn · 23rd March 2016, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Hi Gavin and David,
The pics of the hilts are not very clear but I am not sure that they depict the same figure, the one from Gavin with the protruding nose depicts a popular hero from Bali/ Lombok area? but I forgot his name.
Best regards
Jean

I believe this hilt depicts the character Umarmaya. As far as I know, this is a panakawan character in Lombok. On this site (German), he's listed as a character in the repertoire of Wayang Sasak (ethnic group on Lombok).

David · 23rd March 2016, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by yuuzan

I believe this hilt depicts the character Umarmaya. As far as I know, this is a panakawan character in Lombok. On this site (German), he's listed as a character in the repertoire of Wayang Sasak (ethnic group on Lombok).

Thanks for your imput. Given the placement of this item it would seem strange to have a culturally mixed ensemble like that, but who knows. I would love to see some better images of this hilt.

A. G. Maisey · 23rd March 2016, 11:49 PM

I believe that when we get a profile photo of this hilt it will be found that it is derived from a wayang character, and that it has a big nose. In fact, we can just about see this now, but nothing more.

All kasar (rough, crude) characters in the wayang have big noses.

If we are to try to specifically identify the character shown in this hilt we need at the very least a clear profile photo.

Jean · 24th March 2016, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by yuuzan

I believe this hilt depicts the character Umarmaya. As far as I know, this is a panakawan character in Lombok. On this site (German), he's listed as a character in the repertoire of Wayang Sasak (ethnic group on Lombok).

Thank you Yuuzan.
Yes, although the pic is not very clear I believe that the hilt shown by Gavin depicts Umarmaya or Umar Maye as he has very distinctive features. He seems to be a very popular character in Lombok but very little is published about him. We already discussed it in September 2008 without much success.
Gavin, are you sure that your dagger is from Sumatra?
Regards

GIO · 25th March 2016, 11:53 AM

Gavin, are you sure that your dagger is from Sumatra?
Regards

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Yes, I agree with Jean.
In fact the photo doesn't show much. From what we can see, the scabbard seems Madurese and the hilt could be Cirebon. A photo of the blade would help.

David · 25th March 2016, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GIO

Gavin, are you sure that your dagger is from Sumatra?
Regards

Yes, I agree with Jean.
In fact the photo doesn't show much. From what we can see, the scabbard seems Madurese and the hilt could be Cirebon. A photo of the blade would help.[/QUOTE]
Just to be clear Gio, you are talking about Gavin's ensemble, not the original one, correct?

23rd March 2016, 11:49 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	I believe that when we get a profile photo of this hilt it will be found that it is derived from a wayang character, and that it has a big nose. In fact, we can just about see this now, but nothing more. All kasar (rough, crude) characters in the wayang have big noses. If we are to try to specifically identify the character shown in this hilt we need at the very least a clear profile photo.

25th March 2016, 11:53 AM	#5
GIO Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 330	Gavin, are you sure that your dagger is from Sumatra? Regards [/QUOTE] Yes, I agree with Jean. In fact the photo doesn't show much. From what we can see, the scabbard seems Madurese and the hilt could be Cirebon. A photo of the blade would help.