An old Tibetan warrior

dennee · 22nd March 2016, 03:48 AM

All that is required to support a hypothesis is evidence. So far, no one has brought forward evidence of early or widespread use of the kora in Tibet. On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence of use in Nepal, and similarities between koras and kukris.

The Kachin dha comes out of Burma, admittedly Assam-adjacent, although folks tend to insist on calling it Naga, presumably because some were acquired by the eastern Nagas. But if you look at traditional Naga blades, they are smaller and differently shaped---axes, really, usually on a wood haft. Some Naga axes have concave ends, but they don't look like koras. The Khasis probably had the most access to iron in the hills and the most advanced metal technology. But their 'national' sword, and those of the Garos, are not closely related to koras. The little Kuki sword would probably have the closest resemblance, but not very close.

That the Tibetans traded blades and even bought off potential raiders from nearby tribes with blades is well enough documented. But that form of knife doesn't seem to have much to do with koras.

Gavin Nugent · 22nd March 2016, 10:16 AM

Indeed the swords and axes from these regions do not resemble a Kora overall, but nothing else really does either, not even the Kukri, except they may now and then share the hilt types...but then these OLD Kora types noted as Tibet do not follow the common hilt form either.
With regards to the image I placed above, from left to right it was Kachin, Naga, Kachin.

With regards to (and although undocumented), the tip note I have throw out there to ponder, what other weapons have these concave tips like this...none come to mind except the dao and axes from the regions of Assam and Northern Burma.

Specifically looking at the known Indian Kora and the known Nepal Kora, the large ends look rather like an Indian Elephant ear,right down to the central point, important animals to the regions and the religions...not so important in Tibet...so IF these narrow old Kora with the protrusions are Tibetan, what form was the tip styled on?

Gavin

shayde78 · 16th December 2018, 05:25 PM

Check out post #28 here for more speculation about Nepalese/Tibetan/Assam connection.

I love meandering down some of these past threads and considering things that have never yet crossed my mind. All of it reinforces to me that the world is both more vast and more finite than I typically appreciate.

ariel · 17th December 2018, 12:06 AM

Hi Shayde,
I really like your attempt to introduce Assamese Dao onto the the Kora family.
Never thought about it but now... I agree with you: it looks like (at the very least) a cousin thrice removed.

ariel · 17th December 2018, 12:10 AM

Hi Shayde,
I really like your attempt to introduce Assamese Dao to the the Kora family.
Never thought about it but now... I agree with you: it looks like (at the very least) a cousin thrice removed.

Bob A · 17th December 2018, 06:07 AM

My limited information regarding Assamese weapons notes that the Naga dao was not indigenous in production; supposedly iron was not readily available, and blades were imported. Bower reported that quality swords were sought from Bhutan and Tibet.

22nd March 2016, 03:48 AM	#1
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	All that is required to support a hypothesis is evidence. So far, no one has brought forward evidence of early or widespread use of the kora in Tibet. On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence of use in Nepal, and similarities between koras and kukris. The Kachin dha comes out of Burma, admittedly Assam-adjacent, although folks tend to insist on calling it Naga, presumably because some were acquired by the eastern Nagas. But if you look at traditional Naga blades, they are smaller and differently shaped---axes, really, usually on a wood haft. Some Naga axes have concave ends, but they don't look like koras. The Khasis probably had the most access to iron in the hills and the most advanced metal technology. But their 'national' sword, and those of the Garos, are not closely related to koras. The little Kuki sword would probably have the closest resemblance, but not very close. That the Tibetans traded blades and even bought off potential raiders from nearby tribes with blades is well enough documented. But that form of knife doesn't seem to have much to do with koras.

22nd March 2016, 10:16 AM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Indeed the swords and axes from these regions do not resemble a Kora overall, but nothing else really does either, not even the Kukri, except they may now and then share the hilt types...but then these OLD Kora types noted as Tibet do not follow the common hilt form either. With regards to the image I placed above, from left to right it was Kachin, Naga, Kachin. With regards to (and although undocumented), the tip note I have throw out there to ponder, what other weapons have these concave tips like this...none come to mind except the dao and axes from the regions of Assam and Northern Burma. Specifically looking at the known Indian Kora and the known Nepal Kora, the large ends look rather like an Indian Elephant ear,right down to the central point, important animals to the regions and the religions...not so important in Tibet...so IF these narrow old Kora with the protrusions are Tibetan, what form was the tip styled on? Gavin

16th December 2018, 05:25 PM	#3
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Check out post #28 here for more speculation about Nepalese/Tibetan/Assam connection. I love meandering down some of these past threads and considering things that have never yet crossed my mind. All of it reinforces to me that the world is both more vast and more finite than I typically appreciate.

17th December 2018, 12:06 AM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Hi Shayde, I really like your attempt to introduce Assamese Dao onto the the Kora family. Never thought about it but now... I agree with you: it looks like (at the very least) a cousin thrice removed.

17th December 2018, 12:10 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Hi Shayde, I really like your attempt to introduce Assamese Dao to the the Kora family. Never thought about it but now... I agree with you: it looks like (at the very least) a cousin thrice removed.

17th December 2018, 06:07 AM	#6
Bob A Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 435	My limited information regarding Assamese weapons notes that the Naga dao was not indigenous in production; supposedly iron was not readily available, and blades were imported. Bower reported that quality swords were sought from Bhutan and Tibet.