Smallsword ID?!

M ELEY · 22nd January 2016, 12:37 PM

What an absolutely beautiful example! Not my forte, but just a few obvious pointers to start in the indentification process. Based on the open pas d'ane and pommel styling, yours would date to the 1740-1780 period, still within the perimeters of the motto and coat of arms. Let's see what others have to say...
Mark

fernando · 22nd January 2016, 06:34 PM

Very, very nice.
Can't you take a close up picture of the blade smith mark ?

ulfberth · 22nd January 2016, 08:38 PM

This must be one of the nicest small swords I've ever seen and on top of it with an exceptional blade and in its scabbard, most amazing craftsmanship !

mariusgmioc · 22nd January 2016, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Very, very nice.
Can't you take a close up picture of the blade smith mark ?

Not really as my camera doesn't appear to focus closer (but I am not very good at photos).

cornelistromp · 24th January 2016, 03:09 PM

Concordia Res Parvae Crescunt is indeed the motto of the Republic of the Netherlands till 1795, see for example, the attachement of a 17thC small word, earlier in my collection, with this motto engraved on the fuller.
it is easier to date a small word on the basis of the decoration then the style characteristics, which hardly change between 1675-1725.

the decoration with dolphins, angels, Neptune, cupid riding a dolphin, is a fine example of the Louis XIV style.
those images have similarities in style with a small word from my collection which can be dated around 1680, (an almost identical small word belonged to a member of schutterij van Enkhuizen,in the Westfries museum Hoorn).

the most corresponds your smallsword to a design for a smallsword in gold by JA Meissonier 1725, Paris.with the bulge in the sleeve near the diamond shaped shell washer and similar oblique lines in the molded grip.

the very high quality of the casting and carving suggests me that this can be the work of one the famous medal cutters in Paris, in the early 18th century.
extremely beautiful example.

the original scabbard should have the same molding and cutting quality on the mountings.

conclusion, Your sword is probably French around 1725.

best,
Jasper

mariusgmioc · 24th January 2016, 11:24 PM

Very interesting and educating! Thank you very much!

M ELEY · 25th January 2016, 12:59 AM

Fine job of pinning this one down, Jasper! Very conclusive! Those pics you posted are great, supporting the facts. I wasn't too far off with a ca. 1740 date!

24th January 2016, 03:09 PM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	Concordia Res Parvae Crescunt is indeed the motto of the Republic of the Netherlands till 1795, see for example, the attachement of a 17thC small word, earlier in my collection, with this motto engraved on the fuller. it is easier to date a small word on the basis of the decoration then the style characteristics, which hardly change between 1675-1725. the decoration with dolphins, angels, Neptune, cupid riding a dolphin, is a fine example of the Louis XIV style. those images have similarities in style with a small word from my collection which can be dated around 1680, (an almost identical small word belonged to a member of schutterij van Enkhuizen,in the Westfries museum Hoorn). the most corresponds your smallsword to a design for a smallsword in gold by JA Meissonier 1725, Paris.with the bulge in the sleeve near the diamond shaped shell washer and similar oblique lines in the molded grip. the very high quality of the casting and carving suggests me that this can be the work of one the famous medal cutters in Paris, in the early 18th century. extremely beautiful example. the original scabbard should have the same molding and cutting quality on the mountings. conclusion, Your sword is probably French around 1725. best, Jasper Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 24th January 2016 at 03:25 PM.

22nd January 2016, 12:37 PM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,205	What an absolutely beautiful example! Not my forte, but just a few obvious pointers to start in the indentification process. Based on the open pas d'ane and pommel styling, yours would date to the 1740-1780 period, still within the perimeters of the motto and coat of arms. Let's see what others have to say... Mark

22nd January 2016, 06:34 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Very, very nice. Can't you take a close up picture of the blade smith mark ?

22nd January 2016, 08:38 PM	#3
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 439	This must be one of the nicest small swords I've ever seen and on top of it with an exceptional blade and in its scabbard, most amazing craftsmanship !

24th January 2016, 11:24 PM	#6
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	Very interesting and educating! Thank you very much!

25th January 2016, 12:59 AM	#7
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,205	Fine job of pinning this one down, Jasper! Very conclusive! Those pics you posted are great, supporting the facts. I wasn't too far off with a ca. 1740 date!