Two new (to me) Keris from Epray for comment

David · 15th January 2016, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by harrywagner

Maybe, but from a woodworkers perspective that is exactly how you would want to do it. The angle increases the surface area of the joint which makes it stronger.

Harry, while i do understand what you are saying, if you spend some time looking at how the gander is generally fitted to the wrongko in these sheaths from this area i think you will see that it is just not the general woodworker's perspective from this culture.

Gustav · 15th January 2016, 11:04 PM

Actually the place and angle for a joint line here is not unusual, for Solo style wrongko. For a better taste the angle could be perhaps even steeper and the line located a bit deeper.

David · 15th January 2016, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

Actually the place and angle for a joint line here is not unusual, for Solo style wrongko. For a better taste the angle could be perhaps even steeper and the line located a bit deeper.

You will have to show me examples of that Gustav. On most of the solo sheaths that i have the angle of the joint is less severe if there is an angle at all and the joint does not take place this far down the gandar. With some the joint is right up into the wrongko.
I am still pretty convinced, however, that this sheath is all one piece. Perhaps Leif will get back to us soon to confirm one way or the other.

Gustav · 15th January 2016, 11:45 PM

David, there are many examples in Solyoms book on pages 41, 42 and 47 and should be more in Haryoguritnos.

Rick · 16th January 2016, 12:01 AM

I can't disagree Gustav, but I think, in this particular case, that it is as David says: a deep scratch.

Gustav · 16th January 2016, 12:17 AM

That's possible, Rick.

Rafngard · 16th January 2016, 03:20 AM

Firstly, thank you all for your thoughts on this.

I'm glad I was mostly right on the stuff I said.
I'm also glad I didn't pay terribly much for these.

Mostly, I still likely them, and I'm happy to have an opportunity to learn. It's strange how much easier it is to seem flaws with something (in this case the ricikan on the Surakarta Keris) once someone else points them out.

Secondly, it does infact seem to be a iras scabbard. I'll try to post some pics in the morning. The mark visible is indeed a deep scratch.

Also, the wood inside the pendok is in not great condition.

Thanks,
Leif

15th January 2016, 11:04 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Actually the place and angle for a joint line here is not unusual, for Solo style wrongko. For a better taste the angle could be perhaps even steeper and the line located a bit deeper.

15th January 2016, 11:45 PM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	David, there are many examples in Solyoms book on pages 41, 42 and 47 and should be more in Haryoguritnos.

16th January 2016, 12:01 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	I can't disagree Gustav, but I think, in this particular case, that it is as David says: a deep scratch.

16th January 2016, 12:17 AM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	That's possible, Rick.

16th January 2016, 03:20 AM	#7
Rafngard Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis,MN Posts: 348	Firstly, thank you all for your thoughts on this. I'm glad I was mostly right on the stuff I said. I'm also glad I didn't pay terribly much for these. Mostly, I still likely them, and I'm happy to have an opportunity to learn. It's strange how much easier it is to seem flaws with something (in this case the ricikan on the Surakarta Keris) once someone else points them out. Secondly, it does infact seem to be a iras scabbard. I'll try to post some pics in the morning. The mark visible is indeed a deep scratch. Also, the wood inside the pendok is in not great condition. Thanks, Leif