A GERMAN FIGHTING TWO HAND SWORD LATE 16 TH CENTURY

cornelistromp · 9th January 2016, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ulfberth

Jasper, could you please show me how a sword cleaned or treated with acid looks ?

Kind regards

Ulfberth

Of course, only my literature is stored for a renovation.
it looks dull like lead.
in records of the medieval sword by Oakeshott is a sword particularly described which is cleaned with acid. I believe a type X without a crossguard and with important silver inlays.oakshott exuberantly describes the dull look like lead and describes the restoration of this sword, where by polishing the nice dark metal look reappears.

best,
jasper

cornelistromp · 9th January 2016, 04:16 PM

ah I found a digital copy of ROMS it is x.10.

see text under condition, left is acid cleaned and right is polished.

ulfberth · 9th January 2016, 05:19 PM

Jasper thank you for the description from the book, but can you recognise a sword that has been treated with acid ?
Because I can assure you the sword of Jean Luc has not been treated with acid and any old wax on polished metal that catches dust and moisture over time will get the dull lead look.

kind regards

Ulfberth

cornelistromp · 9th January 2016, 06:58 PM

yes i can tell if sword parts are treated with acid, actually anybody with reasonable eyesight can do this.

however this acid discussion is not so important in this case.

more important is that a beautiful homogeneous original sword is almost classified as a composite one with later hilt parts, this is done without a proper and solid substantiation.

we have differences of opinion here, but that's fine.

best,
Jasper

ulfberth · 10th January 2016, 06:42 AM

You are right Jasper, we do have a difference of opinion and that's fine.
And you're right again, there is a lot that people with reasonable eyesight can see, they just have look in the right places, pointing them out can sometimes be helpful.

Kind regards

Ulfberth

Cerjak · 10th January 2016, 06:02 PM

Maybe I should have posted this pictures before. It is obvious that this hilt has been heavily cleaned, there are still some (black) trace of rust. Furthermore, it is a kind of old wax we find only on the hilt which gives this brown color, providing a different aspect if compared with the shiny blade.
So I have decided to remove this old wax only in one quillon end, so we can better see that the hilt had been seriously attacked by rust too .

Cerjak · 10th January 2016, 06:08 PM

one more

9th January 2016, 04:16 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,063	ah I found a digital copy of ROMS it is x.10. see text under condition, left is acid cleaned and right is polished. Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 9th January 2016 at 07:42 PM.

10th January 2016, 06:02 PM	#6
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Maybe I should have posted this pictures before. It is obvious that this hilt has been heavily cleaned, there are still some (black) trace of rust. Furthermore, it is a kind of old wax we find only on the hilt which gives this brown color, providing a different aspect if compared with the shiny blade. So I have decided to remove this old wax only in one quillon end, so we can better see that the hilt had been seriously attacked by rust too . Attached Images

10th January 2016, 06:08 PM	#7
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	one more one more Attached Images

9th January 2016, 05:19 PM	#3
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 435	Jasper thank you for the description from the book, but can you recognise a sword that has been treated with acid ? Because I can assure you the sword of Jean Luc has not been treated with acid and any old wax on polished metal that catches dust and moisture over time will get the dull lead look. kind regards Ulfberth

9th January 2016, 06:58 PM	#4
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,063	yes i can tell if sword parts are treated with acid, actually anybody with reasonable eyesight can do this. however this acid discussion is not so important in this case. more important is that a beautiful homogeneous original sword is almost classified as a composite one with later hilt parts, this is done without a proper and solid substantiation. we have differences of opinion here, but that's fine. best, Jasper

10th January 2016, 06:42 AM	#5
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 435	You are right Jasper, we do have a difference of opinion and that's fine. And you're right again, there is a lot that people with reasonable eyesight can see, they just have look in the right places, pointing them out can sometimes be helpful. Kind regards Ulfberth