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Thank you Jens and Jose for your comments.
The holes drilled appear to be positioned beneath the settings. These are no more than pilot holes for larger holes to remove stock for the settings. Another smaller tool was used to shape it to accommodate the setting fully. I don't know if the bottoms were overlaid with thin sheet gold, possibly, but the only thing holding the stones were the undercuts in the carving of the matrix. Gold, well annealed, is extremely soft, softer by orders of magnitude than even fine silver, so it theoritically is like putty, smeared down and forced into and under the undercuts, cold. If heat enough to affect the softness of the gold, (roughly 1000 degrees F.), the stone or ivory would be ruined. This has piqued my interest. If I can find some time I will attempt to do a small demonstration piece and report back. |
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A few more excellent examples.
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Shakethetrees, you bring up some points I haven't thought of. And I forgot about the heat effecting the stones. In fact it would change the color of the stones at the very least. Also not aware of the holes being drill holes to take out the stones and inlay.
If you could experiment and show the results that would be great. I still am a little hazy about the the process. |
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I too was wondering how much heat a jade hilt could take.
Here are the two pictures. It is clear that the hilt has been striped for gold and gems, and it is also clear that the gems were replaced with glass/crystal, and the gold with lead(?) covered with a thin gold foil. |
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Jens,
Sorry for my mistake: the original photo was not very detailed. This was NOT a Marvari horse, this was indeed Nilgai. |
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Ariel,
No problem :-). I had to look twice as well to see it, and like you say, the picture is not too good. The dagger hilt I have shown can be a bit tricky. It is known that many daggers were stripped for gold and gems, like mine was, but I have also, very long ago, seen a dagger where the gold and most of the gems had been removed and replaced with fakes, but for some reason or other a few of the gems were the real ones. Dont ask me why, as I am not able to answer the question - veneration maybe. |
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Jens, you're certainly right. and thanks for pointing out the difference between Nilgai and Marwari)
As you know, the Kundan is still practiced in certain part of India, and some artists produce it with incredible accuracy and relatively close to original. here is lesser quality example, to demonstrate it can be "applied" on material other than mineral, in this case it is on resin done with earlier described technique. |
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