OTTOMAN....What do we mean?

[kahnjar1]

Originally Posted by estcrh

Stu, the problem is the lack of accurate information on were exactly many "Ottoman" armor and weapon items were manufactured. Most, if not all of us would be very happy to be able to pinpoint what country our items came from, but what sources can be used for this that are accurate and trustworthy?

Here is an example, this war hammer is in my opinion "Ottoman". How can I verify that, what reference will tell me with any certainty that this was manufactured in the Ottoman empire and what country in the Ottoman Empire it originated from. Right now I would probably describe it as "Indo-Persian" (possibly Ottoman)

Agreed, but with Forum discussion, and looking at the particular features of an item, we MIGHT just arrive at a particular origin point. That would be to the benefit of all....not just Forum Members. If we simply dismiss an item as being Ottoman (or Arabian or Middle Eastern or whatever) we could miss a great opportunity to further our knowledge. Nothing can ever be CERTAIN, but at least hopefully some progress could be made.
Stu

[russel]

I couldn't stop help myself...

[rickystl]

Originally Posted by russel

I couldn't stop help myself...

LOL!!!!!!!

[digenis]

Very interesting discussion. I think that it is fair to categorize weapons and accoutrements produced in the Ottoman empire as "Ottoman". I think there is an Ottoman esthetic that resonates on those items manufactured during this period. However, I think that the regional decorative variances is IMHO what makes the study of these weapons so fascinating. I believe that there is space for a scholarly, yet collector-friendly book that can connect the designs and patterns found in weapons with those of other regionally produced folk art and motifs of the same period. Some countries in the Balkans have done an amazing job in cataloging regional variants of folk costumes, embroidery and jewelry design. These alone may serve as a starting point of comparison.