Origins of this yatagan.

Battara · 7th November 2015, 06:23 AM

It is possible that the scabbard is a later replacement. I base this on the style of workmanship. If so this might explain some of the questions regarding the scabbard.

Certainly the stone on top next to the hilt is a later addition. Traditionally Ottomans did not place one there (and it would fall of anyway) and there is the issue of the style of stone setting which is more modern and not traditionally Ottoman.

estcrh · 7th November 2015, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

It is possible that the scabbard is a later replacement. I base this on the style of workmanship. If so this might explain some of the questions regarding the scabbard.

Certainly the stone on top next to the hilt is a later addition. Traditionally Ottomans did not place one there (and it would fall of anyway) and there is the issue of the style of stone setting which is more modern and not traditionally Ottoman.

I think if you look around enough you can find stones mounted just about anywere on a yatagan, but I agree with the type of setting, it is not what you would expect to see on an Ottoman weapon. You are probably right about the scabbard being a replacement, the style should give some clue to its origin but I can not remember seeing anything similar even on non-yatagan swords.

Kubur · 7th November 2015, 08:48 AM

The wooden grip are clearly modern replacement.

The scabbard looks good to me.

Kubur · 7th November 2015, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Certainly the stone on top next to the hilt is a later addition. Traditionally Ottomans did not place one there (and it would fall of anyway) and there is the issue of the style of stone setting which is more modern and not traditionally Ottoman.

I don't agree at all, many examples on the web...

Bob A · 7th November 2015, 09:56 PM

The stone on the sword in question is faceted, which implies, to me at any rate, a (relatively) modern origin. Its setting seems consistent with the rest of the fittings on the hilt.

estcrh · 17th January 2016, 10:53 AM

I still have not seen anything similar to this yatagan, here are some additional pictures. 28 inches long.

Kubur · 17th January 2016, 11:03 AM

I like your yatagan, the date on the blade is 1825.
Is the central part of the scabbard silver?

Congrat!!

estcrh · 17th January 2016, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

I like your yatagan, the date on the blade is 1825.
Is the central part of the scabbard silver?

Congrat!!

Kuber, thanks for the info.

estcrh · 17th January 2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Is the central part of the scabbard silver?

It seems to be a silver tone in the middle area.

ariel · 17th January 2016, 11:27 AM

In the last set of pics, the fourth from below, scabbard fitting: isn't there a half-moon and a star?

17th January 2016, 10:53 AM	#6
estcrh Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: USA Posts: 1,492	I still have not seen anything similar to this yatagan, here are some additional pictures. 28 inches long. Attached Images

7th November 2015, 06:23 AM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	It is possible that the scabbard is a later replacement. I base this on the style of workmanship. If so this might explain some of the questions regarding the scabbard. Certainly the stone on top next to the hilt is a later addition. Traditionally Ottomans did not place one there (and it would fall of anyway) and there is the issue of the style of stone setting which is more modern and not traditionally Ottoman.

7th November 2015, 08:48 AM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	The wooden grip are clearly modern replacement. The scabbard looks good to me.

7th November 2015, 09:56 PM	#5
Bob A Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 439	The stone on the sword in question is faceted, which implies, to me at any rate, a (relatively) modern origin. Its setting seems consistent with the rest of the fittings on the hilt.

17th January 2016, 11:03 AM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I like your yatagan, the date on the blade is 1825. Is the central part of the scabbard silver? Congrat!!

17th January 2016, 11:27 AM	#10
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	In the last set of pics, the fourth from below, scabbard fitting: isn't there a half-moon and a star?