Plains stone axe for ?ing

Tim Simmons · 18th October 2015, 06:11 PM

Yes some people are obviously prepared to spend a lot of money on potentially hobby work.

Tim Simmons · 20th October 2015, 04:19 PM

Interesting objects, late 19th century.

http://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology/...0%20%2F%204558

Tim Simmons · 25th October 2015, 04:54 PM

I just cannot help myself now I have found more.

http://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology/...0%20%2F%209073

Tim Simmons · 31st December 2015, 04:33 PM

I just want to say that I have identified the stone. "Rhyolite" This pink Rhyolite {high grade} is high in silica which makes knapping possible. It is a volcanic stone. If you look carefully you can see holes where gas has escaped. These holes are known as "Vugs" I am sure you needed to know that.

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http://www.thudscave.com/petroglyphs/knappable.htm

Tim Simmons · 31st December 2015, 05:14 PM

Stuff about Shoshone stone knapping from 1860s onwards, the women were the best at knapping. The Shoshone would have access to the high silica rhyolite quarries which is found in the western USA.

http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/bl...ven%201992.pdf

Tim Simmons · 27th February 2016, 04:31 PM

This was on ebay and an offer was excepted. To me it looks very much like a very enthusiastic copy. The blue is so very blue the brass studs are sooo old looking. Glad I paid at least 10 times less. I have saved pictures for when the ebay ones have gone. Also flint rather than rhyolite which is clearly discernable. One easy to nap the other hard.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORIG-NATIV...vip=true&rt=nc

stekemest · 27th February 2016, 09:39 PM

Tim, with my limited knowledge of plains weaponry, I do think your piece could be "old" in the sense that it was probably made about 100 years ago. Native Americans produced wallhangers, pieces for trade and use at powwows during that time. However, I don't think it was ever practically used as a weapon or tool. The lines between an "authentic" and a "tourist" piece seem to blur when it comes to Native American antiquities made during the reservation period. Weapons made before that time are very hard to find.

18th October 2015, 06:11 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	Yes some people are obviously prepared to spend a lot of money on potentially hobby work.

20th October 2015, 04:19 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	Interesting objects, late 19th century. http://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology/...0%20%2F%204558

25th October 2015, 04:54 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	I just cannot help myself now I have found more. http://anthro.amnh.org/anthropology/...0%20%2F%209073

31st December 2015, 04:33 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	I just want to say that I have identified the stone. "Rhyolite" This pink Rhyolite {high grade} is high in silica which makes knapping possible. It is a volcanic stone. If you look carefully you can see holes where gas has escaped. These holes are known as "Vugs" I am sure you needed to know that. scroll down http://www.thudscave.com/petroglyphs/knappable.htm

31st December 2015, 05:14 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	Stuff about Shoshone stone knapping from 1860s onwards, the women were the best at knapping. The Shoshone would have access to the high silica rhyolite quarries which is found in the western USA. http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/bl...ven%201992.pdf

27th February 2016, 04:31 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,842	This was on ebay and an offer was excepted. To me it looks very much like a very enthusiastic copy. The blue is so very blue the brass studs are sooo old looking. Glad I paid at least 10 times less. I have saved pictures for when the ebay ones have gone. Also flint rather than rhyolite which is clearly discernable. One easy to nap the other hard. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORIG-NATIV...vip=true&rt=nc

27th February 2016, 09:39 PM	#7
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	Tim, with my limited knowledge of plains weaponry, I do think your piece could be "old" in the sense that it was probably made about 100 years ago. Native Americans produced wallhangers, pieces for trade and use at powwows during that time. However, I don't think it was ever practically used as a weapon or tool. The lines between an "authentic" and a "tourist" piece seem to blur when it comes to Native American antiquities made during the reservation period. Weapons made before that time are very hard to find.