Keris Panjang 5 Lok Blade

A. G. Maisey · 10th September 2015, 10:22 PM

Actually both ron dha are correctly cut, and well cut, but the rondha in the gonjo is Surakarta pattern, and the ron dha nunut --- ie, the ron dha in the wadidang of the blade --- is Mataram pattern.

This sort of mix usually indicates that the gonjo has been made for a different keris and adapted to fit the one it is on.

sirek · 11th September 2015, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Actually both ron dha are correctly cut, and well cut, but the rondha in the gonjo is Surakarta pattern, and the ron dha nunut --- ie, the ron dha in the wadidang of the blade --- is Mataram pattern.

This sort of mix usually indicates that the gonjo has been made for a different keris and adapted to fit the one it is on.

Thank you for pointing that out, If I had to explain the difference it seems to me that the upper part of the ron dha in the Mataram pattern bends more upwards.
Concerning the gonjo, I have always had the suspicion that this was a replacement. But for me that was not such a problem because i thought it is not uncommon with older blades.

David · 11th September 2015, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sirek

Thank you for pointing that out, If I had to explain the difference it seems to me that the upper part of the ron dha in the Mataram pattern bends more upwards.
Concerning the gonjo, I have always had the suspicion that this was a replacement. But for me that was not such a problem because i thought it is not uncommon with older blades.

I think a replacement gonjo is a very good explanation/possibility.
I do wonder is this is really a keris panjang though. It doesn't appear quite long enough in the photo, but that could be deceptive. What is the actual blade length here?

A. G. Maisey · 11th September 2015, 10:23 PM

It is very common for a gonjo to be replaced on an older keris, however, the usual practice is to make a new gonjo, not recycle a gonjo from a different blade.

The reasons for replacemant can range from the original gonjo being damaged to the use of an original gonjo in the manufacture of a new keris.

If we think of the gonjo as a female element, and the wilah as a male element, it should be obvious why it is not fitting to replace a gonjo with the gonjo from a different wilah. When this is done it can very probably be considered to be the work of a dealer, or some person who does not understand keris ethics.

sirek · 11th September 2015, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I think a replacement gonjo is a very good explanation/possibility.
I do wonder is this is really a keris panjang though. It doesn't appear quite long enough in the photo, but that could be deceptive. What is the actual blade length here?

Hello David, the length of the blade = 40cm / 15¾ inch, measured from gonjo to point.

David · 12th September 2015, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sirek

Hello David, the length of the blade = 40cm / 15¾ inch, measured from gonjo to point.

Yes, i would say that is a bit too short for a keris panjang.

sirek · 12th September 2015, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Yes, i would say that is a bit too short for a keris panjang.

I looked up an photo I used in an earlier thread, and according to this standard the blade is indeed too short to be called a panjang.

it is somewhere in between

GIO · 16th September 2015, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Yes, i would say that is a bit too short for a keris panjang.

A keris of this length should be called "Anak Alang"

10th September 2015, 10:22 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,994	Actually both ron dha are correctly cut, and well cut, but the rondha in the gonjo is Surakarta pattern, and the ron dha nunut --- ie, the ron dha in the wadidang of the blade --- is Mataram pattern. This sort of mix usually indicates that the gonjo has been made for a different keris and adapted to fit the one it is on.

11th September 2015, 10:23 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,994	It is very common for a gonjo to be replaced on an older keris, however, the usual practice is to make a new gonjo, not recycle a gonjo from a different blade. The reasons for replacemant can range from the original gonjo being damaged to the use of an original gonjo in the manufacture of a new keris. If we think of the gonjo as a female element, and the wilah as a male element, it should be obvious why it is not fitting to replace a gonjo with the gonjo from a different wilah. When this is done it can very probably be considered to be the work of a dealer, or some person who does not understand keris ethics.