How does one hold a tulwar?

Jens Nordlunde · 16th August 2015, 09:15 PM

Thank you for your answer Ibrahiim al Balooshi.
You always answer in a nice language - and I like that.

I do not think that you are right, can you show me a single battle scene, where the fighters have the indexfinger curled around the quillon?

To me this will be the last post on this thread - and I wish all others to have a good discussion.

Jens

fearn · 17th August 2015, 02:05 AM

Off-topic, but as I found with my reproduction bronze-age sword with the mushroom hilt, the disk forcing you to hold your wrist straight is an ancient design. Those old leaf-bladed bronze swords were probably used for draw-cuts too. Being bronze, they were softer, so having two edges got you through the fight, where you'd only need one edge with steel.

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Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 17th August 2015, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Thank you for your answer Ibrahiim al Balooshi.
You always answer in a nice language - and I like that.

I do not think that you are right, can you show me a single battle scene, where the fighters have the indexfinger curled around the quillon?

To me this will be the last post on this thread - and I wish all others to have a good discussion.

Jens

Salaams Jens Nordlunde, Thank you for your post; I went through an entire gallery of Indian fight scene paintings last night and I have to report no sightings whatsoever. I think, however, that I am looking in the wrong place as the paintings Moghul etc tend to be two dimensional at best...although beautifully done ....they do not show this phenomena. I think I need to be looking in a Fecht Bok equivalent in Indian arms (swordsmanship) if such an item exists...

Actually Im not fully in agreement about the master in the video since he looked like he knew his stuff...and a lot of these martial systems were passed down master to student and so on... I think the moves are genuine....

The practical fight technique of looped finger over guard seems to me to be a logical progression and whilst not in artworks of the period does turn up in photos as shown at thread...at least. I keep an open mind on this.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

sirupate · 17th August 2015, 09:32 AM

Salaams Ibrahiim,

So you think that what Nidar Singh Nihang is genuine?

Many thanks Simon

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 17th August 2015, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sirupate

Salaams Ibrahiim,

So you think that what Nidar Singh Nihang is genuine?

Many thanks Simon

Yes I do. In particular I looked at his shield and dagger secondary weapon technique which I thought was devastating ..and the punches with the shield to the throat... as well as the reinforced grip with the shield and dagger...Yes I thought he looked every bit a master in those weapons. His slashes and cuts demonstrated with the main weapon were clearly well worked out and his use of the sword strikes to the vital points was typical of any master I have seen... with or without a sword. Apologies for taking this to the martial art theatre as it is not Ethnographics per se but perhaps it can be imagined how these troopers performed a long time ago in action.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

blue lander · 17th August 2015, 03:44 PM

From what I read that man claims to have received direct training from one of the last remaining masters of that martial arts form, which is usually a sign of something fishy. Many in the Sikh community seem to not believe his story and consider his style to not be historical.

sirupate · 17th August 2015, 05:28 PM

Many thanks Ibrahiim

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 18th August 2015, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by blue lander

From what I read that man claims to have received direct training from one of the last remaining masters of that martial arts form, which is usually a sign of something fishy. Many in the Sikh community seem to not believe his story and consider his style to not be historical.

Salaams Blue Lander~That is quite possible knowing the intricacies of these martial arts and the infighting(scuse pun) that goes on sometimes. I think we just have to take a back seat on these rumours and hope the ethnographics shine through the cracks...
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Pukka Bundook · 18th August 2015, 01:48 PM

The only depiction I have seen that shows the finger over the cross, was in H. E. Davidson's book, "The Anglo-Saxon Sword"

Slightly different time and place!

(Of course, rapiers and such are used in this manner, but we all know that.)

I do have a saif, and with the extra guards, it Is very comfortable to hold in this manner, And, the area of the cross where the finger rests is worn smooth, as though I am not the first to try this hold.

Best wishes,
Richard.

16th August 2015, 09:15 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Thank you for your answer Ibrahiim al Balooshi. You always answer in a nice language - and I like that. I do not think that you are right, can you show me a single battle scene, where the fighters have the indexfinger curled around the quillon? To me this will be the last post on this thread - and I wish all others to have a good discussion. Jens

17th August 2015, 02:05 AM	#2
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Off-topic, but as I found with my reproduction bronze-age sword with the mushroom hilt, the disk forcing you to hold your wrist straight is an ancient design. Those old leaf-bladed bronze swords were probably used for draw-cuts too. Being bronze, they were softer, so having two edges got you through the fight, where you'd only need one edge with steel. F

17th August 2015, 09:32 AM	#4
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Salaams Ibrahiim, So you think that what Nidar Singh Nihang is genuine? Many thanks Simon

17th August 2015, 03:44 PM	#6
blue lander Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456	From what I read that man claims to have received direct training from one of the last remaining masters of that martial arts form, which is usually a sign of something fishy. Many in the Sikh community seem to not believe his story and consider his style to not be historical.

17th August 2015, 05:28 PM	#7
sirupate Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 373	Many thanks Ibrahiim

18th August 2015, 01:48 PM	#9
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	The only depiction I have seen that shows the finger over the cross, was in H. E. Davidson's book, "The Anglo-Saxon Sword" Slightly different time and place! (Of course, rapiers and such are used in this manner, but we all know that.) I do have a saif, and with the extra guards, it Is very comfortable to hold in this manner, And, the area of the cross where the finger rests is worn smooth, as though I am not the first to try this hold. Best wishes, Richard.