Keris Madura with Thai influences

Gustav · 11th June 2015, 11:18 AM

Of course there are a lot of older Keris with parts from different locations, and even more newer "marriages".

If you go for the blade (which is a peninsular one) - even if its fit with the sheath is ok, it is quite worn, Greneng completely disappeared, Wadidang disturbed. You surely would come across a better Cherita blade someday.

A. G. Maisey · 16th June 2015, 09:03 AM

Hilt Madura, maybe blade too.

maxbliss888 · 31st October 2015, 06:04 PM

maxbliss888 · 31st October 2015, 06:07 PM

Keris....

maxbliss888 · 31st October 2015, 06:39 PM

Keris....
Thailand

David · 1st November 2015, 10:29 PM

Hi Max...i am afraid that there is nothing Thai about that hilt. Again i believe we are looking at a hilt from Madura, or possibly Northern Jawa. The pendokok at the base of this hilt i am not as certain about, but it is a mismatch with this particular hilt for sure and doesn't fit either by sizing or style.
I cannot comment on the blade since you have not posted a photo of it. I have seen variations of this scabbard form used with keris from both Sumatra and the Peninsula. Is there some reasoning you are using to identify this keris a Thai that you can share for a better understanding of what you are talking about?

A. G. Maisey · 1st November 2015, 11:23 PM

David, I think Max might be talking about the keris itself, ie, the blade, rather than the dress around the blade.

There is a school of thought that holds that only the blade is the keris, all else is irrelevant.

David · 2nd November 2015, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

David, I think Max might be talking about the keris itself, ie, the blade, rather than the dress around the blade.

There is a school of thought that holds that only the blade is the keris, all else is irrelevant.

Understood Alan, but without an image of the blade (or even with one) the point is moot...

maxbliss888 · 2nd November 2015, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

David, I think Max might be talking about the keris itself, ie, the blade, rather than the dress around the blade.

There is a school of thought that holds that only the blade is the keris, all else is irrelevant.

Yes, I was referring to the blade itself. Sorry for the error as I was using my Ipad for my previous message and my ipad got hanged owing to the poor network...

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11th June 2015, 11:18 AM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Of course there are a lot of older Keris with parts from different locations, and even more newer "marriages". If you go for the blade (which is a peninsular one) - even if its fit with the sheath is ok, it is quite worn, Greneng completely disappeared, Wadidang disturbed. You surely would come across a better Cherita blade someday.

16th June 2015, 09:03 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Hilt Madura, maybe blade too.

1st November 2015, 10:29 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,237	Hi Max...i am afraid that there is nothing Thai about that hilt. Again i believe we are looking at a hilt from Madura, or possibly Northern Jawa. The pendokok at the base of this hilt i am not as certain about, but it is a mismatch with this particular hilt for sure and doesn't fit either by sizing or style. I cannot comment on the blade since you have not posted a photo of it. I have seen variations of this scabbard form used with keris from both Sumatra and the Peninsula. Is there some reasoning you are using to identify this keris a Thai that you can share for a better understanding of what you are talking about?

1st November 2015, 11:23 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	David, I think Max might be talking about the keris itself, ie, the blade, rather than the dress around the blade. There is a school of thought that holds that only the blade is the keris, all else is irrelevant.