Tomas Aiala Cup hilt rapier.

fernando · 1st June 2015, 04:59 PM

Concerning this type of brazed quillons, pommel an cup looking Colonial, as i admited, i don't know. But that they make the Portuguese style, i make it certain.
Attached are two examples of such hilts, with and without knuckle guard screw, both with alegories to Portuguese Kings in their blades.

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Cerjak · 1st June 2015, 06:38 PM

Dear Fernando
Thank you for the pictures the first one is for me very similar from mine ( wooden handle and simple cup and quillons and same type of urn' style pommel only the knuckle guard screw .
Do you know from which period is the first hilt ?

Best

Jean-Luc

fernando · 1st June 2015, 07:58 PM

Allegedly XVIII century.

Cerjak · 2nd June 2015, 10:28 AM

I would like to thank all of you ( Jim ,Fernando ,Mr ELEY & ulfberth, for your kind contribution on this thread.
I got all the explanation expected on this sword and I'm hope that those informations will be helpful for other collectors.

Cerjak

Norman McCormick · 2nd June 2015, 11:33 PM

Hi Jean-Luc,
A real nice find, 'de Aiala' blades seem to be popping up all over

Here's a Tomas de Aiala rapier courtesy of the Wallace Collection, a bit of a different class from ours

My Regards,
Norman.

Cerjak · 9th June 2015, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norman McCormick

Hi Jean-Luc,
A real nice find, 'de Aiala' blades seem to be popping up all over

Here's a Tomas de Aiala rapier courtesy of the Wallace Collection, a bit of a different class from ours

My Regards,
Norman.

Hi Norman

Thank you for the picture.
It is only in Museum you could see so nice example and based on this picture I can understand why his name had been popping all over .
Best

Jean-Luc

fernando · 9th June 2015, 09:31 PM

A rather beatiful sword indeed, however giving place to reiterate the dilemma of genuine smith signatures.
According to the host of this example, the mark stamped on the ricasso (quote) appears to represent the royal arms of France and not that usualy associated with Tomas de Aiala (or Ayala).
... Resulting that this sword could even be Italian, still according to Wallace specialists.

1st June 2015, 04:59 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Concerning this type of brazed quillons, pommel an cup looking Colonial, as i admited, i don't know. But that they make the Portuguese style, i make it certain. Attached are two examples of such hilts, with and without knuckle guard screw, both with alegories to Portuguese Kings in their blades. . Attached Images

2nd June 2015, 11:33 PM	#5
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,647	Hi Jean-Luc, A real nice find, 'de Aiala' blades seem to be popping up all over Here's a Tomas de Aiala rapier courtesy of the Wallace Collection, a bit of a different class from ours My Regards, Norman. Attached Images

1st June 2015, 06:38 PM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Dear Fernando Thank you for the pictures the first one is for me very similar from mine ( wooden handle and simple cup and quillons and same type of urn' style pommel only the knuckle guard screw . Do you know from which period is the first hilt ? Best Jean-Luc

1st June 2015, 07:58 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Allegedly XVIII century.

2nd June 2015, 10:28 AM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	I would like to thank all of you ( Jim ,Fernando ,Mr ELEY & ulfberth, for your kind contribution on this thread. I got all the explanation expected on this sword and I'm hope that those informations will be helpful for other collectors. Cerjak

9th June 2015, 09:31 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A rather beatiful sword indeed, however giving place to reiterate the dilemma of genuine smith signatures. According to the host of this example, the mark stamped on the ricasso (quote) appears to represent the royal arms of France and not that usualy associated with Tomas de Aiala (or Ayala). ... Resulting that this sword could even be Italian, still according to Wallace specialists.