Ivory Tulip Kris

nechesh · 17th December 2005, 12:33 AM

I'm with Bill here. I think this is almost certainly a newer blade with a false cut gangya. It looks like a well made blade though.
As for new replacement parts i have no problem as long as they are well done and not done to deceive. I have noticed a furry recently of ivory kakatu hilts that all have this perfectly even coffee colored patina that i am almost certain is dye. They are often put on old mediocre to poor blades with the intention of convincing some poor sap that they are buying a datu kris. That bothers me. But being mainly a collector of Indo keris i have become very accustom to replacement parts as it is part of the tradition. Still, even there you sometimes see upscale dress on poor blades meant to increase their saleability. I have often seen this on Bali keris that are dressed up in jewel encrusted gold hilts and pushed as royal blades.

Ferguson · 17th December 2005, 01:29 AM

Well the gangya fooled me. I really fell in love with this piece. The hilt was a little flashy for my taste, but the blade seemed nice. I too thought it was old blade with new dress, but the angle of the luks does look wrong. It's pretty nice work, whenever it was made.

Steve

Bill · 17th December 2005, 01:45 AM

What bothered me about this sword is the blade has a light coat of rust on it but no pitting. The baca-baca is pristine, one would think if the sword was taken apart, the blade would have been cleaned unless of course you wanted to add some age. I have to stay away from keris buying. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 ,just got this today. Looks like the hilt is ivory and the cup is bone. Trouble is they glued them together and stained them. The stain did not stick well to the bone. Doubt much I can do about either the stain or the glue?

Rick · 17th December 2005, 02:21 AM

A Bugis style dress and unfortunately missing the buntut .

Interesting though .

Battara · 17th December 2005, 09:21 PM

Unfortunately false ganga are nowadays becoming quite common.

Spunger, to which kris of mine are you refering?

kai · 17th December 2005, 11:31 PM

Bill, that seems to be a nice keris blade. Considering the price I wouldn't complain...

Please post pics after cleaning/staining the blade!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

Trouble is they glued them together and stained them. The stain did not stick well to the bone. Doubt much I can do about either the stain or the glue?

Can you remove the blade?

Regards,
Kai

Spunjer · 18th December 2005, 03:00 AM

battara,

i was referring to your avatar and the kris that went for $1800.+ the shade of the ivory on these pieces are consistent to the ones that are found on madrid's museum:

im comparing it to the ones that i saw in the philippines, which tend to have a yellowish tint on the ivory...

Battara · 19th December 2005, 07:57 AM

You do bring up a good point, Sunjer. The differences in the yellowing to a dark orange are due in part to age and to a large extent to the amount of sulfer to which they are exposed. The presence of sulfer in the surrounding environment is the strongest coloring agent for elephant ivory.

17th December 2005, 12:33 AM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	I'm with Bill here. I think this is almost certainly a newer blade with a false cut gangya. It looks like a well made blade though. As for new replacement parts i have no problem as long as they are well done and not done to deceive. I have noticed a furry recently of ivory kakatu hilts that all have this perfectly even coffee colored patina that i am almost certain is dye. They are often put on old mediocre to poor blades with the intention of convincing some poor sap that they are buying a datu kris. That bothers me. But being mainly a collector of Indo keris i have become very accustom to replacement parts as it is part of the tradition. Still, even there you sometimes see upscale dress on poor blades meant to increase their saleability. I have often seen this on Bali keris that are dressed up in jewel encrusted gold hilts and pushed as royal blades.

17th December 2005, 01:29 AM	#2
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Well the gangya fooled me. I really fell in love with this piece. The hilt was a little flashy for my taste, but the blade seemed nice. I too thought it was old blade with new dress, but the angle of the luks does look wrong. It's pretty nice work, whenever it was made. Steve

17th December 2005, 01:45 AM	#3
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	What bothered me about this sword is the blade has a light coat of rust on it but no pitting. The baca-baca is pristine, one would think if the sword was taken apart, the blade would have been cleaned unless of course you wanted to add some age. I have to stay away from keris buying. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 ,just got this today. Looks like the hilt is ivory and the cup is bone. Trouble is they glued them together and stained them. The stain did not stick well to the bone. Doubt much I can do about either the stain or the glue?

17th December 2005, 02:21 AM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	A Bugis style dress and unfortunately missing the buntut . Interesting though .

17th December 2005, 09:21 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Unfortunately false ganga are nowadays becoming quite common. Spunger, to which kris of mine are you refering?

18th December 2005, 03:00 AM	#7
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	battara, i was referring to your avatar and the kris that went for $1800.+ the shade of the ivory on these pieces are consistent to the ones that are found on madrid's museum: im comparing it to the ones that i saw in the philippines, which tend to have a yellowish tint on the ivory...

19th December 2005, 07:57 AM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	You do bring up a good point, Sunjer. The differences in the yellowing to a dark orange are due in part to age and to a large extent to the amount of sulfer to which they are exposed. The presence of sulfer in the surrounding environment is the strongest coloring agent for elephant ivory.