MONSTER MUSKET/JEZAIL FOR IDENTIFICATION

spiral · 25th May 2015, 12:20 AM

The barrels a lovely old thing.

Seeing the stamp on the lock, it looks also later copy work.{Not as recent as timber or brass though...}

I guess they had a nice old barrel so built everything else around it, to get a few western dollars...

rickystl · 25th May 2015, 08:37 PM

Hi Bandook.
WOW!!! That's a monster!! LOL!!! Where on Earth did you find it??? Yes, designed to look like a Sind wall gun of some sort. LOL It's great.
At first, I thought of the possibility this might be a Victorian Era copy, which were assembled from a combination of old and new parts. And often, the barrels were highly exaggerated just for effect. But, as mentioned above, the stock and brass work look to new for even a Victorian copy.
A couple of tests if you would: 1) Run a dowel, rod, or piece of wire down the barrel and see if it goes all the way to the end of the breech? 2) Is there a vent hole at the breech of the barrel that meets the pan?
The lock looks original. The hammer is shaped like the trade locks of the early 19th Century. The barrel: I have no idea?? But it is sure cool looking. It looks like a 20th Century build of some kind. Sure is decorative looking. If I owned the barrel I might have a hard time not building something around it. LOL
But let me know what you find with the barrel. And thanks for Posting!!!!
Rick.

BANDOOK · 26th May 2015, 12:22 AM

THANKS RICK WILL GET BACK TO YOU ON THIS,I BOUGHT IT AT AUCTION AND THIS LOT CAME FROM AN OLD MANS DECEASED ESTATE LOT,ALSO GOT A MOROCCON MUSKET FROM HIS COLLECTION WHICH I WILL BE POSTING SOON,CHEERS

rickystl · 26th May 2015, 03:38 AM

Great!1 Yes, please post both. Thanks, Rick.

BANDOOK · 26th May 2015, 10:50 AM

HI RICK I HAVE PUT THE MOROCCON MUSKET ON ETHNIC FORUM FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION,CHEERS

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 27th May 2015, 05:00 PM

Salaams all ...
The lock is off a Brown Bess...

see http://www.ima-usa.com/original-brit...rked-lock.html

I would suggest that the marks on the lock plate are the remnants of the Nepali mark.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

BANDOOK · 28th May 2015, 01:28 PM

SUKHRAN IBHRAHIIM,
GOOD OBSERVATION,SO ITS GOOD TO KNOW THAT NOW THE BARREL AS
WELL AS LOCK ARE ORIGINAL,CHEERS FOR THAT MAKES THIS BEAST A BIT INTERESTING FIND.

spiral · 29th May 2015, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

I would suggest that the marks on the lock plate are the remnants of the Nepali mark.
:

I think the dodgy crown stamp over a 2 does not resemble the Nepali Brown bess lock in any way shape or form. {Looking on 22 inch monitor at time 400% enlagment.}

Old Afganistan NWF Brown bess lock re. used seems more likely...

27th May 2015, 05:00 PM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams all ... The lock is off a Brown Bess... see http://www.ima-usa.com/original-brit...rked-lock.html I would suggest that the marks on the lock plate are the remnants of the Nepali mark. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 27th May 2015 at 05:41 PM.

25th May 2015, 12:20 AM	#1
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	The barrels a lovely old thing. Seeing the stamp on the lock, it looks also later copy work.{Not as recent as timber or brass though...} I guess they had a nice old barrel so built everything else around it, to get a few western dollars...

25th May 2015, 08:37 PM	#2
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Bandook. WOW!!! That's a monster!! LOL!!! Where on Earth did you find it??? Yes, designed to look like a Sind wall gun of some sort. LOL It's great. At first, I thought of the possibility this might be a Victorian Era copy, which were assembled from a combination of old and new parts. And often, the barrels were highly exaggerated just for effect. But, as mentioned above, the stock and brass work look to new for even a Victorian copy. A couple of tests if you would: 1) Run a dowel, rod, or piece of wire down the barrel and see if it goes all the way to the end of the breech? 2) Is there a vent hole at the breech of the barrel that meets the pan? The lock looks original. The hammer is shaped like the trade locks of the early 19th Century. The barrel: I have no idea?? But it is sure cool looking. It looks like a 20th Century build of some kind. Sure is decorative looking. If I owned the barrel I might have a hard time not building something around it. LOL But let me know what you find with the barrel. And thanks for Posting!!!! Rick.

26th May 2015, 12:22 AM	#3
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	THANKS RICK WILL GET BACK TO YOU ON THIS,I BOUGHT IT AT AUCTION AND THIS LOT CAME FROM AN OLD MANS DECEASED ESTATE LOT,ALSO GOT A MOROCCON MUSKET FROM HIS COLLECTION WHICH I WILL BE POSTING SOON,CHEERS

26th May 2015, 03:38 AM	#4
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Great!1 Yes, please post both. Thanks, Rick.

26th May 2015, 10:50 AM	#5
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	HI RICK I HAVE PUT THE MOROCCON MUSKET ON ETHNIC FORUM FOR YOUR KIND INFORMATION,CHEERS

28th May 2015, 01:28 PM	#7
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	SUKHRAN IBHRAHIIM, GOOD OBSERVATION,SO ITS GOOD TO KNOW THAT NOW THE BARREL AS WELL AS LOCK ARE ORIGINAL,CHEERS FOR THAT MAKES THIS BEAST A BIT INTERESTING FIND.