Unusual takouba

[Iain]

Couple more images I forgot the first time around.

[David R]

How is the reinforce attached, blind riveted, soldered or welded?

[Iain]

They are usually pinned, but this one has no visible pins. Certainly not soldered. May be forge welded.

They usually employ this style of splitting a single piece of steel for the forte and inserting the blade.

[CharlesS]

Thanks for posting Iain. I never cease to be amazed where these European blades end up. There must have been quite a market for them in the day!

[Iain]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Thanks for posting Iain. I never cease to be amazed where these European blades end up. There must have been quite a market for them in the day!

Thanks Charles, as Jim notes this one might be Indian, but for me that's not a downside, if anything it makes it more interesting as it shows an even more extended network of blade trading.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by Iain

Thanks Charles, as Jim notes this one might be Indian, but for me that's not a downside, if anything it makes it more interesting as it shows an even more extended network of blade trading.

I couldn't agree more Iain. If it is, indeed, an Indian blade, then all the more interesting.

[Martin Lubojacky]

Dear Iain,
This applied takoubalogy magnetizes me more end more ... Congartulations to the sword
Martin

[Jim McDougall]

Excellent example Iain!!! and as always these blades are a challenge.
I am inclined to support possible Indian attribution to this blade, mostly to the curious arrangement of markings. The 'inscription' in the fuller appears to be some sort of approximation of the acrostic invocations and slogans often seen on early Italian blades and later the similar system of separation of letters in names etc. with dots, crosses or devices used in Germany/Toledo.
These seem to be 'A's punctuated with 'twig' marks (began in Italy 16th c., see Mann, 1962, p.255, Wallace Coll.).
The mark at blade edge resembles German adaptions of these covered by a disc latter 16th c. (op, cit. A535). ....often accompanied by the 'sickle' marks.

What is unusual are the 'twigs' between the 'A's (usually used elsewhere in marking in European context); the double use of the 'sickles' flanking the 'inscription'; and the placement of the sickle/disc near the blade edge (usually not in such location on European blades).

I would think this could very well be Indian interpretation of 'firangi' blades as used in their 'khanda' basket hilts....but of course could be German 'blank' stamped by Indian artisans. In any case, the blade likely filtered through Indian entrepots before entering Red Sea routes.

I always think these 'rainguard' type extensions on some North African swords are fascinating (I cant recall whether it occurs on kaskara)..and begs the question of direct influence of fully mounted European swords there in earlier times. It does not seem that a decorative 'langet' fits typical style for these swords in native parlance.

On the 'sandwich' extension covering upper section of blade. Was there a purpose for these? It seems to suggest bolstering of the blade but then the effect may be as with the 'langet' simply decorative?

Examples like these become perfect prompts for seeking answers to these kinds of questions, as well as continued study of blade traffic into these regions.

Thank you so much Iain for your continued and tenacious study on these, and especially for sharing them here. I hope others with similar featured examples might enter them as well.

All best regards,
Jim

[Iain]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Excellent example Iain!!! and as always these blades are a challenge.
I am inclined to support possible Indian attribution to this blade, mostly to the curious arrangement of markings. The 'inscription' in the fuller appears to be some sort of approximation of the acrostic invocations and slogans often seen on early Italian blades and later the similar system of separation of letters in names etc. with dots, crosses or devices used in Germany/Toledo.
These seem to be 'A's punctuated with 'twig' marks (began in Italy 16th c., see Mann, 1962, p.255, Wallace Coll.).
The mark at blade edge resembles German adaptions of these covered by a disc latter 16th c. (op, cit. A535). ....often accompanied by the 'sickle' marks.

What is unusual are the 'twigs' between the 'A's (usually used elsewhere in marking in European context); the double use of the 'sickles' flanking the 'inscription'; and the placement of the sickle/disc near the blade edge (usually not in such location on European blades).

I would think this could very well be Indian interpretation of 'firangi' blades as used in their 'khanda' basket hilts....but of course could be German 'blank' stamped by Indian artisans. In any case, the blade likely filtered through Indian entrepots before entering Red Sea routes.

Thanks Jim, I recognized the marks in terms of their stylistic source in Italian blades. But you may well be right regarding an Indian attribution.

The marks are struck a bit more shallow than I would expect on a European blade and seem subtly different in some ways.

I always think these 'rainguard' type extensions on some North African swords are fascinating (I cant recall whether it occurs on kaskara)..and begs the question of direct influence of fully mounted European swords there in earlier times. It does not seem that a decorative 'langet' fits typical style for these swords in native parlance.

Indeed, it's a very specific decorative element. I know of one other takouba featuring this, in the hands of a fellow collector who sometimes frequents this forum.

I would be sceptical it has a European origin, but certainly has something of an uncanny resemblance!

On the 'sandwich' extension covering upper section of blade. Was there a purpose for these? It seems to suggest bolstering of the blade but then the effect may be as with the 'langet' simply decorative?

This mounting style is done to extend the length of the blade. The original blade does not extend to the guard, but is pinned or "sandwiched" by the new forte. I'm attaching a image to hopefully show what I mean.

Examples like these become perfect prompts for seeking answers to these kinds of questions, as well as continued study of blade traffic into these regions.

Thank you so much Iain for your continued and tenacious study on these, and especially for sharing them here. I hope others with similar featured examples might enter them as well.

All best regards,
Jim

Thank you Jim for the insightful comments! This is the most interesting tak I've come across for some time.

I like how it shows so many features that define these swords. The use of foreign blades, the unique system of mounting them if they were damage or short, the modification to make it two edged and the unusual hilt.