Kris #3

Ian · 15th December 2005, 04:00 PM

This one has a "beefier" blade and shallower luk than I would expect to see on an early 19th C. Mindanao kris. I agree with Nechesh that the hilt looks like a later replacement on a fairly old blade.

Nice example. Thanks for sharing it with us, Punal.

MABAGANI · 17th December 2005, 01:03 AM

Re: kris timeline- the heavy scholarly research was done by Najeeb M. Saleeby, Cesar Adib Majul, James F. Warren and Ruurdje Laarhoven etc. but details need to be sifted and referenced as their works relate to the evolution of the kris. An interesting find, deals with William Dampier the explorer pirate as he sailed Mindanao in the 17th century, his crew was attacked by natives with kris in which they "hacked and stabbed", this points to the archaic type at least existing during the period.
My question to keris collectors would be the historical relationship of Mindanao and Sulu to Malacca, Johore and Sumatra because the Muslim royals trace their heritage to these regions in the early 16th century.
Any scholarly books you can cite would be of help.

15th December 2005, 04:00 PM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,547	This one has a "beefier" blade and shallower luk than I would expect to see on an early 19th C. Mindanao kris. I agree with Nechesh that the hilt looks like a later replacement on a fairly old blade. Nice example. Thanks for sharing it with us, Punal.

17th December 2005, 01:03 AM	#2
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Re: kris timeline- the heavy scholarly research was done by Najeeb M. Saleeby, Cesar Adib Majul, James F. Warren and Ruurdje Laarhoven etc. but details need to be sifted and referenced as their works relate to the evolution of the kris. An interesting find, deals with William Dampier the explorer pirate as he sailed Mindanao in the 17th century, his crew was attacked by natives with kris in which they "hacked and stabbed", this points to the archaic type at least existing during the period. My question to keris collectors would be the historical relationship of Mindanao and Sulu to Malacca, Johore and Sumatra because the Muslim royals trace their heritage to these regions in the early 16th century. Any scholarly books you can cite would be of help.