Another Mystery?

[Gustav]

Originally Posted by kai

Hello David,

The pendokok and hilt are classic Terengganu style and also the scabbard and blade suit this designation. I'd believe the hilt to be not antique - possibly post-WW2.

Kai

Actually I cannot see nothing typically Terengganu neither in hilt and Pendokok, nor in scabbard and blade.

As I understand, the most old examples of this Burung Serindit hilt form are coming from the opposite coast - Perlis, Kedah, Perak.

Also the elongated Buntut Lipas of scabbard is associated with this coast.

Perhaps there is a little possibility the sampir has been very slightly changed in form at some time.

[Seerp Visser]

David I like the quality of the photographs very much.
Can you give some advise of how to make them?

[David]

Originally Posted by Seerp Visser

David I like the quality of the photographs very much.
Can you give some advise of how to make them?

Thanks Seerp. I think i might have a bit of an edge since photography is my business, but the "secret" to my photos of keris is to keep it simple. I generally use indirect or diffused window light as the main light source and fill in shadows and edge light with a white reflector card. I keep my backgrounds dark and solid so as not to distract from the main subject. I use pro equipment, but many lower end cameras are capable of producing fine images these days.
Of course there are many other ways to approach the matter, both with natural light and strobes if you have the equipment. Below is one thread we have on the subject, but i think there are more if you search.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=photography

[Seerp Visser]

Thanks David, i red the article and that will help me further. I am studying the keris from the blacksmith point of view and have to include close-up photographs in my writings about the subject.
The low quality photography i produce at present does not contribute to the level of the work i try to achieve.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by Gustav

Actually I cannot see nothing typically Terengganu neither in hilt and Pendokok, nor in scabbard and blade.

As I understand, the most old examples of this Burung Serindit hilt form are coming from the opposite coast - Perlis, Kedah, Perak.

Also the elongated Buntut Lipas of scabbard is associated with this coast.

Perhaps there is a little possibility the sampir has been very slightly changed in form at some time.

Going over old threads looking for clues on another matter, I agree with Gustav To me, all features, including the manner of the carving and incising, it has a very Perak flavour to it.

[kai]

I fully agree, Gavin. Apologies for not responding to Gustav's correction! Not sure what happened back then - must have been a senior moment, twice...

BTW, any ideas what might be the southernmost limit for traditional production of this burung serindit hilt type? They might have been traded more widely while apparently genuine ensembles seem to point to the NW coast of the Malay peninsula (and possibly the NE Sumatran coast across the Straits?). During the 20th century, this motif seems to have been picked up more widely by carvers.

Interestingly, a distinct style of non-stylized representation of cockatoo hilt (for sewar) hails from the northeastern coast of Sumatra (now part of Aceh and possibly reaching down to the Deli/Asahan region?) and apparently the western coast of the Malay peninsula, too. This seems to be an older type than the keris hilt.

Regards,
Kai

[David]

Thank you gentlemen for adding a few additional thoughts on this keris.

[Gavin Nugent]

Originally Posted by kai

I fully agree, Gavin. Apologies for not responding to Gustav's correction! Not sure what happened back then - must have been a senior moment, twice...

BTW, any ideas what might be the southernmost limit for traditional production of this burung serindit hilt type? They might have been traded more widely while apparently genuine ensembles seem to point to the NW coast of the Malay peninsula (and possibly the NE Sumatran coast across the Straits?). During the 20th century, this motif seems to have been picked up more widely by carvers.

Interestingly, a distinct style of non-stylized representation of cockatoo hilt (for sewar) hails from the northeastern coast of Sumatra (now part of Aceh and possibly reaching down to the Deli/Asahan region?) and apparently the western coast of the Malay peninsula, too. This seems to be an older type than the keris hilt.

Regards,
Kai

I agree with your thoughts Kai.

To me personally, I feel the Tumbuk (Sewar to some) with the distinct parrot head hulu and parrot head sampir can be in some instances be a good deal older than the keris hulu, and it does seem, (but) at what point I do not know, that the keris hulu did find its way over to the east coast too, in both keris and Sundang as seen in these pages.

It is possible they developed together though as many of the Sundang I've seen from Malaysia/Malaysia Borneo appear to carry an eagle head pommel.... and very Terengganu like blades and features...

Just out of interest, when looking at the Perak Royal Regalia photo from 1907, there is a large example of the Tumbuk with a head that looks dressed like the Parang Nabur/Beladah Belabang of Kalimantan. One of our learned colleagues here calls them Pedang Salin Alai Waloet.

The most southern point, I've never really explored.... delving in to the mind's archives, it seems to have stopped at the Sultanate of Deli and the regions below had their own unique carving styles.... I may look in to further some day if a LONG life is had.

A couple of random links, the book to this link since released.
https://www.nst.com.my/lifestyle/sun...d-islamic-arts

Perak Royal regalia
https://www.nst.com.my/lifestyle/sun...d-islamic-arts

And one for good luck
https://sembangkuala.wordpress.com/2...um-sultan-ali/

[Gavin Nugent]

For reference and context.

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec...A_As1928-115-a

And its sheath

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collec...A_As1928-115-b