An Omani abu Fitila Matchlock gun for comment

kahnjar1 · 25th April 2015, 09:38 PM

Yes a nice Omani Abu Fitila. What is overall length of the piece? To me it looks quite short.
I have one of these with overall length of 64" (1625mm) and barrel length of 46" (1170mm)
Stu

Cerjak · 26th April 2015, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Yes a nice Omani Abu Fitila. What is overall length of the piece? To me it looks quite short.
I have one of these with overall length of 64" (1625mm) and barrel length of 46" (1170mm)
Stu

Hi Stuart ,
Well seen this one have a barrel around 90 cm and overall 130 cm.
I 'm still astonished at this barrel is more than 300 years old! Do you have a similar design in your barrel I would like to see.

Best

Cerjak

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 26th April 2015, 12:15 PM

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 26th April 2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

Hi Stuart ,
Well seen this one have a barrel around 90 cm and overall 130 cm.
I 'm still astonished at this barrel is more than 300 years old! Do you have a similar design in your barrel I would like to see.

Best

Cerjak

Salaams Cerjac, I have several barrels and complete Abu Futilla... Father of the Match or the one with the match ... Looking through Icoman it appears that a lot of guns were German...but as you say this Barrel seems to be Persian or Indian? I mention Icoman many times in http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=Forts and I have a number of barrels that have blown apart at the first join. In my store there's a barrel just like yours. In the Islamic Arms by the late Anthony North he goes immediately into a description of these firearms and how a tried and trusted system in this theatre lasted and lasted ...That is very much the case with Omani weapons where for example Abu Futilla were still being used well into the late 20th Century! not to mention the length of time of the Omani Battle Sword...

http://www.klm-mra.be/icomam/downloads/issue07.pdf is a useful reference and sets the background for the general theme...

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

BANDOOK · 26th April 2015, 01:04 PM

Hello Cerjak,here is my Omani matchlock,missing few parts but that's the way I got it
AN OMANI MATCHLOCK MUSKET
Description: The rosewood stock of characteristic form with expanded butt. With profiled and pierced trigger, the brass barrel bands retaining the forearm sheathing. Barrel with finely profiled pan and rear sight, breach and muzzle deeply inlaid with brass. Retains its brass match receptacle and extinguisher, as well as a length of original match cord. Early 19th century. Ramrod intact. Overall length 140.7 cm.Condition II
Regards Rajesh

BANDOOK · 26th April 2015, 01:08 PM

Greetings Ibrahiim
please could you let me know missing things needed to complete my Omani musket as you are an expert with these type of muskets,appreciate your inputs
kind regards
Rajesh

Kubur · 26th April 2015, 02:01 PM

Hi all!

The barrels are Persian barrels, according to Elgood.
Better than his book on firearms, better to refer on his "Arms and armour of Arabia"...more informative if I may.
For the Persian barrels, I think we should wait the book of Manoucher Khorasani.
http://www.moshtaghkhorasani.com/bio...ire-and-steel/
I'm sure that it will be a very interesting book!
Despite some critics about his work "Arms and armour from Iran" that I've seen on the forum. Manoucher Khorasani's work is really impressive and very informative. I guess it's always more easy to criticise than to do something.

Regards,
Kubur

Cerjak · 26th April 2015, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BANDOOK

Greetings Ibrahiim
please could you let me know missing things needed to complete my Omani musket as you are an expert with these type of muskets,appreciate your inputs
kind regards
Rajesh

Hi Rajesh

Thank you to have post your Abu Fitila ,the only thing I don't see in your barrel it is may be the front sight But Im not sure ( yours pictures don't show it)
Best

Cerjak

kahnjar1 · 26th April 2015, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BANDOOK

Hello Cerjak,here is my Omani matchlock,missing few parts but that's the way I got it
AN OMANI MATCHLOCK MUSKET
Description: The rosewood stock of characteristic form with expanded butt. With profiled and pierced trigger, the brass barrel bands retaining the forearm sheathing. Barrel with finely profiled pan and rear sight, breach and muzzle deeply inlaid with brass. Retains its brass match receptacle and extinguisher, as well as a length of original match cord. Early 19th century. Ramrod intact. Overall length 140.7 cm.Condition II
Regards Rajesh

.... I do not see the match retainer/extinguisher.....

BANDOOK · 27th April 2015, 04:56 AM

HI STU,IBRAHIIM OR SOMEONE ELSE COULD HELP ME GET THAT PART AS ITS NOT AVAILABLE HERE,LET ME KNOW IF SOMEONE HAS A SPARE ONE TO SELL,MANY THANKS

kahnjar1 · 27th April 2015, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BANDOOK

HI STU,IBRAHIIM OR SOMEONE ELSE COULD HELP ME GET THAT PART AS ITS NOT AVAILABLE HERE,LET ME KNOW IF SOMEONE HAS A SPARE ONE TO SELL,MANY THANKS

Make one.....

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 28th April 2015, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BANDOOK

HI STU,IBRAHIIM OR SOMEONE ELSE COULD HELP ME GET THAT PART AS ITS NOT AVAILABLE HERE,LET ME KNOW IF SOMEONE HAS A SPARE ONE TO SELL,MANY THANKS

Salaams Bandook, The spare parts are dead rare ... however I shall keep an eye out for things like spare brass trigger and fire holders as well as the rope fuse wrapped around the butt and ramrods.... in due course. Where possible you may like to have a go at making them yourself...often the only way...
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Cerjak · 26th April 2015, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams Cerjac, I have several barrels and complete Abu Futilla... Father of the Match or the one with the match ... Looking through Icoman it appears that a lot of guns were German...but as you say this Barrel seems to be Persian or Indian? I mention Icoman many times in http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=Forts and I have a number of barrels that have blown apart at the first join. In my store there's a barrel just like yours. In the Islamic Arms by the late Anthony North he goes immediately into a description of these firearms and how a tried and trusted system in this theatre lasted and lasted ...That is very much the case with Omani weapons where for example Abu Futilla were still being used well into the late 20th Century! not to mention the length of time of the Omani Battle Sword...

http://www.klm-mra.be/icomam/downloads/issue07.pdf is a useful reference and sets the background for the general theme...

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Salam iBrahiim

Thank you for this very interesting link It will be great if you could post some pics from your barrel.
Best Cerjak

kahnjar1 · 26th April 2015, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cerjak

Hi Stuart ,
Well seen this one have a barrel around 90 cm and overall 130 cm.
I 'm still astonished at this barrel is more than 300 years old! Do you have a similar design in your barrel I would like to see.

Best

Cerjak

Yes the basic design is very similar to yours but not as ornate in terms of scroll work. Also there are no marks in the barrel recess.

25th April 2015, 09:38 PM	#1
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,797	Yes a nice Omani Abu Fitila. What is overall length of the piece? To me it looks quite short. I have one of these with overall length of 64" (1625mm) and barrel length of 46" (1170mm) Stu Attached Images

26th April 2015, 12:15 PM	#3
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26th April 2015, 01:04 PM	#5
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	Hello Cerjak,here is my Omani matchlock,missing few parts but that's the way I got it AN OMANI MATCHLOCK MUSKET Description: The rosewood stock of characteristic form with expanded butt. With profiled and pierced trigger, the brass barrel bands retaining the forearm sheathing. Barrel with finely profiled pan and rear sight, breach and muzzle deeply inlaid with brass. Retains its brass match receptacle and extinguisher, as well as a length of original match cord. Early 19th century. Ramrod intact. Overall length 140.7 cm.Condition II Regards Rajesh Attached Images

26th April 2015, 01:08 PM	#6
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	Greetings Ibrahiim please could you let me know missing things needed to complete my Omani musket as you are an expert with these type of muskets,appreciate your inputs kind regards Rajesh

26th April 2015, 02:01 PM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi all! The barrels are Persian barrels, according to Elgood. Better than his book on firearms, better to refer on his "Arms and armour of Arabia"...more informative if I may. For the Persian barrels, I think we should wait the book of Manoucher Khorasani. http://www.moshtaghkhorasani.com/bio...ire-and-steel/ I'm sure that it will be a very interesting book! Despite some critics about his work "Arms and armour from Iran" that I've seen on the forum. Manoucher Khorasani's work is really impressive and very informative. I guess it's always more easy to criticise than to do something. Regards, Kubur

27th April 2015, 04:56 AM	#10
BANDOOK Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: AUCKLAND,NEW ZEALAND Posts: 627	HI STU,IBRAHIIM OR SOMEONE ELSE COULD HELP ME GET THAT PART AS ITS NOT AVAILABLE HERE,LET ME KNOW IF SOMEONE HAS A SPARE ONE TO SELL,MANY THANKS