Show us your Powder flask

fernando · 7th April 2015, 07:17 PM

I think mine is a Barut Dan. Some say Persian, others say Afghan.
I wonder whether those filed grooves are just decoration or some kind of mark.

.

kahnjar1 · 7th April 2015, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

I think mine is a Barut Dan. Some say Persian, others say Afghan.
I wonder whether those filed grooves are just decoration or some kind of mark.

.

Nice flask Fernando. How big is it?
I THINK that the marks are only decoration as I have seen similar on other flasks.
Stu

Kubur · 7th April 2015, 11:13 PM

Hi Fernando
I would say Pakistan Afghanistan or even Oman
but definitively not Persian

russel · 8th April 2015, 01:40 AM

This ended on eBay recently, I only submitted a nominal bid and didn't win it. I am not entirely sure what it is. Has anyone seen something similar?

Kubur · 9th April 2015, 07:21 PM

Hi Russel
I found that, Indian powder flask, very similar to yours...

kahnjar1 · 9th April 2015, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Russel
I found that, Indian powder flask, very similar to yours...

Maybe and maybe not. The item posted by Russel appears not to have any method of latching the top. The powder would just run out. The one you show Kubur seems to have a screw??spout?

russel · 10th April 2015, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Maybe and maybe not. The item posted by Russel appears not to have any method of latching the top. The powder would just run out. The one you show Kubur seems to have a screw??spout?

This is from the seller's description:

"The decorative rings around the top hide the fact that the "loop" finial turns to lock or unlock it. If you look at the inside of top you will see an upper and lower flange or tab...the finial turns these to lock it."

rickystl · 12th April 2015, 07:22 PM

Hi Fernando. That is a really interesting flask. Hard to pinpoint. Hmmmm I don't believe it is Persian. My guess is Indo-Arab. Sort of built on the Persian design, but decorated in some what Afghan. But you don't usually see Afghan powder containers with such a pronounced curve. Rick.

fernando · 13th April 2015, 12:31 PM

Points noted, Rick.Thank you.

junker · 15th April 2015, 05:11 PM

Hi,

well you show me yours,
so I will show you mine.

Nothing special, but maybe the wooden one from northern africa (Elgood)

regards from
Dirk

VANDERNOTTE · 15th April 2015, 06:51 PM

two more for iden
saludos
jacques

fernando · 16th April 2015, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDERNOTTE

two more for iden
saludos
jacques

No pictures, Jacques ?

VANDERNOTTE · 16th April 2015, 05:02 PM

i have problem whise this dam machine...paciense
jacques

Battara · 30th April 2015, 01:57 AM

My mistake and apologies for moving to the wrong forum.

Continue to discuss amongst yourselves.............

rickystl · 25th May 2015, 08:09 PM

Hello all. Two more flasks I forgot to include the first time around. One is especially interesting.

1) Typical Indo-Persian, small priming flask most of us are familiar with. It looks iron in the photos, but is all brass and in working order. Needs a proper cleaning.
2) This is one of the most interesting priming flask that I own. And I've never seen another one like it. It appears to be Ottoman. And is "spring loaded". Hold your finger on top of the spout, hold upside down and press inward. Keeping your finger over the spout, release the spring tension, and the spout fills with a small amount of priming powder. And it works fine. There are two holes in the shaft to allow the powder to enter the spout. But there are also two very tiny holes in the shaft to eliminate a vacuum while operating.
Spring loaded flask were common in North America and Europe. But this is the first Ottoman style I've ever seen. Very neat.
Rick.

rickystl · 25th May 2015, 08:11 PM

More pics........

corrado26 · 10th March 2016, 11:40 AM

Here are a powderflask made in Brescia ca. 1600 and an oriental bulletcontainer from my collection
corrado26

Kurt · 10th March 2016, 03:26 PM

These small containers are for priming powder.
Best Kurt

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 30th May 2016, 05:55 PM

Powder Flasks and Containers. The cartridge shaped items are Russian. The orange coloured teardrop flask with silver rectangles inside a black backround is Japanese Edo Period.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 4th June 2016, 11:10 AM

Here is a picture with the participants; A Sikh group wearing War Quoits on special head dress...

Note one has a nice powder flask on his belt.

Kubur · 4th June 2016, 06:19 PM

Hi Ibrahim,

Another one, from Yemen, I guess from Hadramawt...

Best,

napoleon · 26th August 2022, 04:55 PM

Its a lime pot ,used with betel nut a mild narcotic stimulant, not a powder flask

cyten · 31st August 2022, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by napoleon

Its a lime pot ,used with betel nut a mild narcotic stimulant, not a powder flask

what is?

kahnjar1 · 31st August 2022, 10:46 AM

I think it relates to post #119 above.
Stu

Kubur · 16th April 2015, 09:17 AM

Where are they??

Dirk, yes your wooden one is from Morocco.
Probably Argania tree.

Kubur

rickystl · 26th April 2015, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Where are they??

Dirk, yes your wooden one is from Morocco.
Probably Argania tree.

Kubur

Agree that the wooden flask is from Morocco - or my guess would be. Algeria.
This Thread has been much fun. It's great to see others powder and bullet containers. Would you have thought there would be this many among all of us? Lol. Thanks all for Posting. I actually have 2-3 more I forgot to Post originally. But will do so in due course. One especially interesting. Rick.

fernando · 8th April 2015, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

Hi Fernando
I would say Pakistan Afghanistan or even Oman
but definitively not Persian

Amazing; i would swear that both Tirri and Stone call it Persian

Kubur · 8th April 2015, 07:55 PM

I see one like yours in Tirri's book.
But this poor Tirri did few mistakes.
Look in Elgood "Arms of Arabia" page 50, you have one like yours from Oman.
If you have the same type between Pakistan, Iran and Oman.
I would say that this powder flask is Balutch.
The Omani had a lot of Balutch soldiers during the 19th c.
Ibrahim should help us for that!!!

kahnjar1 · 8th April 2015, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubur

I see one like yours in Tirri's book.
But this poor Tirri did few mistakes.
Look in Elgood "Arms of Arabia" page 50, you have one like yours from Oman.
If you have the same type between Pakistan, Iran and Oman.
I would say that this powder flask is Balutch.
The Omani had a lot of Balutch soldiers during the 19th c.
Ibrahim should help us for that!!!

I think we all probably agree that there are mistakes in Tirri's book, as there are in other publications, but then we are all still learning.
The item shown on page 50 of Elgood's book is indeed very similar to that shown by Fernando, BUT the text does not mention Oman, simply that the items shown are 19th century. No mention is made as to origin.
Stu

stelio · 8th April 2015, 10:37 PM

My opinion is that it has a container for oil cleaning that had for weapons.They think it's middle East in 19 century, maybe from Iran.I think that type use from all middle east area(ottoman empire,balkan country's ,arabia,Persia .

8th April 2015, 01:40 AM	#4
russel Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 236	Powder Flask or something else This ended on eBay recently, I only submitted a nominal bid and didn't win it. I am not entirely sure what it is. Has anyone seen something similar? Attached Images

9th April 2015, 07:21 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Russel I found that, Indian powder flask, very similar to yours... Attached Images

15th April 2015, 05:11 PM	#10
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Hi, well you show me yours, so I will show you mine. Nothing special, but maybe the wooden one from northern africa (Elgood) regards from Dirk Attached Images

16th April 2015, 05:02 PM	#13
VANDERNOTTE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 60	flask i have problem whise this dam machine...paciense jacques

25th May 2015, 08:09 PM	#15
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,629	Hello all. Two more flasks I forgot to include the first time around. One is especially interesting. 1) Typical Indo-Persian, small priming flask most of us are familiar with. It looks iron in the photos, but is all brass and in working order. Needs a proper cleaning. 2) This is one of the most interesting priming flask that I own. And I've never seen another one like it. It appears to be Ottoman. And is "spring loaded". Hold your finger on top of the spout, hold upside down and press inward. Keeping your finger over the spout, release the spring tension, and the spout fills with a small amount of priming powder. And it works fine. There are two holes in the shaft to allow the powder to enter the spout. But there are also two very tiny holes in the shaft to eliminate a vacuum while operating. Spring loaded flask were common in North America and Europe. But this is the first Ottoman style I've ever seen. Very neat. Rick. Attached Images

7th April 2015, 07:17 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I think mine is a Barut Dan. Some say Persian, others say Afghan. I wonder whether those filed grooves are just decoration or some kind of mark. . Attached Images

7th April 2015, 11:13 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Fernando I would say Pakistan Afghanistan or even Oman but definitively not Persian

12th April 2015, 07:22 PM	#8
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,629	Hi Fernando. That is a really interesting flask. Hard to pinpoint. Hmmmm I don't believe it is Persian. My guess is Indo-Arab. Sort of built on the Persian design, but decorated in some what Afghan. But you don't usually see Afghan powder containers with such a pronounced curve. Rick.

13th April 2015, 12:31 PM	#9
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Points noted, Rick.Thank you.

15th April 2015, 06:51 PM	#11
VANDERNOTTE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 60	two more for iden saludos jacques

30th April 2015, 01:57 AM	#14
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	My mistake and apologies for moving to the wrong forum. Continue to discuss amongst yourselves.............

25th May 2015, 08:11 PM	#16
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,629	More pics........ Attached Images

10th March 2016, 11:40 AM	#17
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,226	Here are a powderflask made in Brescia ca. 1600 and an oriental bulletcontainer from my collection corrado26 Attached Images

10th March 2016, 03:26 PM	#18
Kurt Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 197	Here are some from the Caucasus. These small containers are for priming powder. Best Kurt Attached Images

30th May 2016, 05:55 PM	#19
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Powder Flasks and Containers. The cartridge shaped items are Russian. The orange coloured teardrop flask with silver rectangles inside a black backround is Japanese Edo Period. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 30th May 2016 at 07:06 PM.

4th June 2016, 11:10 AM	#20
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Akali Sikh warriors Here is a picture with the participants; A Sikh group wearing War Quoits on special head dress... Note one has a nice powder flask on his belt. Attached Images

4th June 2016, 06:19 PM	#21
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Ibrahim, Another one, from Yemen, I guess from Hadramawt... Best, Attached Images

26th August 2022, 04:55 PM	#22
napoleon Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 88	Its a lime pot ,used with betel nut a mild narcotic stimulant, not a powder flask

31st August 2022, 10:46 AM	#24
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,786	I think it relates to post #119 above. Stu

16th April 2015, 09:17 AM	#25
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Where are they?? Dirk, yes your wooden one is from Morocco. Probably Argania tree. Kubur

8th April 2015, 07:55 PM	#28
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	I see one like yours in Tirri's book. But this poor Tirri did few mistakes. Look in Elgood "Arms of Arabia" page 50, you have one like yours from Oman. If you have the same type between Pakistan, Iran and Oman. I would say that this powder flask is Balutch. The Omani had a lot of Balutch soldiers during the 19th c. Ibrahim should help us for that!!!

8th April 2015, 10:37 PM	#30
stelio Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 97	My opinion is that it has a container for oil cleaning that had for weapons.They think it's middle East in 19 century, maybe from Iran.I think that type use from all middle east area(ottoman empire,balkan country's ,arabia,Persia . Last edited by stelio; 8th April 2015 at 11:09 PM.