Fake kilij and pala

estcrh · 18th January 2015, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

the object cannot become fake depending on how or how much was it sold for.

Alex, you are missing my point I think. It is not that the item by itself is a fake due to being restored, but in the mind of a buyer who finds out that the item he purchased as an untouched original antique has been substantially reworked (as in the swords in this post) then these items in the buyers mind can become fake/fradulent/diminished in value etc.

If I purchased an item as an untouched original then later found out that someone worked it over I would not be pleased with myself for not seeing this in the first place and secondly I would not be so very happy with the item if it were purchased on the basis of being unrestored.

If I were to purchase the exact same item knowing in advance that it had been worked on or if I knew that there was the possibility that an item was not an in untouched condition then that would made a diference in how the item was preceived.

Here is an example of what I am talking about. The kilij pictured below was sold a while back, the owner specifically mentioned "minor restoration" (can you spot it?). Since the restoration was mentioned, if I were to purchase it I would have no reason to be disappointed if someone pointed out to me that it had been restored. On the other hand if someone were to purchase this same sword as an unrestored original condition item and then later found out that it had been worked on, the buyer may not be so happy with his purchase as would most people who find themselves in a similar position, that is my personal opinion of course.

Kubur · 19th January 2015, 09:42 AM

Ok, you have two kind of restorations.

Restoration

1/ Professional for Museums, the changes should be seen and reversible.

2/ For collectors (done by professional or not) shouldn't be seen, but should respect the old techniques and materials (it is where you stand Alex).

3/ Conservation for Museums and collectors, just a cleaning and stabilizing of the objects with no added parts or modifications.

I hope that I'm more clear now...

Best,
Kubur

ALEX · 19th January 2015, 12:55 PM

It is such multifaceted subject and depends on many factors. I do not think an item should become a fake in someone's mind once he/she finds out it has newer part. It's a pity, but does not render an item fake if properly done and there was no way to restore or use the period replacement. Certainly depends on degree and intent, and I am with you on that.

19th January 2015, 09:42 AM	#2
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Ok, you have two kind of restorations. Restoration 1/ Professional for Museums, the changes should be seen and reversible. 2/ For collectors (done by professional or not) shouldn't be seen, but should respect the old techniques and materials (it is where you stand Alex). 3/ Conservation for Museums and collectors, just a cleaning and stabilizing of the objects with no added parts or modifications. I hope that I'm more clear now... Best, Kubur

19th January 2015, 12:55 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	It is such multifaceted subject and depends on many factors. I do not think an item should become a fake in someone's mind once he/she finds out it has newer part. It's a pity, but does not render an item fake if properly done and there was no way to restore or use the period replacement. Certainly depends on degree and intent, and I am with you on that.