Need some opinion about this modern keris

nechesh · 7th December 2005, 02:39 PM

Yes Sepang, i would say that if this were an old keris this would be a rather rare dapor, but it is not a fantasy piece, this keris is based on actual old examples. The workmanship on this one appears pretty good on this one and i think a keris like this looks pretty swank in pamorless black iron.

Rick · 7th December 2005, 03:32 PM

Nice new work Sepang !
Good looking ukiran , great finish on the wrongko , and the pendok is quite pretty .
A very nice ensemble .

There is some very good stuff being made today ; it can be hard to find amongst all the ersatz 'antiques' .

Thank heavens no one tried to 'age' it .....

nechesh · 7th December 2005, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

Thank heavens no one tried to 'age' it .....

I second that! I wish these guys would just understand that if they apply themselves properly they will find that there truly is a market for high quality new keris. These shouldn't be looked upon as "repros". This is a living art still, not a revival quite yet. To take a beautifully executed piece like this one and subject it to harsh acids to make it appear old would be such a shame. I would much rather grow old WITH a keris like this.

BluErf · 8th December 2005, 01:08 AM

I'm seeing more and more good new kerises these days which are not artificially aged. I think high-quality new kerises are beginning to find their niche in the world of keris. And they are usually more expensive than the old ones of equivalent quality. Some of these kerises are made with 'designer' modern steel such as D2, and tempered (can pick up a coin easily). So, they are not only beautiful, they are to some extent, functional too.

Rick · 8th December 2005, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

I'm seeing more and more good new kerises these days which are not artificially aged. I think high-quality new kerises are beginning to find their niche in the world of keris. And they are usually more expensive than the old ones of equivalent quality. Some of these kerises are made with 'designer' modern steel such as D2, and tempered (can pick up a coin easily). So, they are not only beautiful, they are to some extent, functional too.

They certainly have their niche with me Kai wee .

Seriously , where else am I going to find affordable well executed rare dapurs and pamors ?
With the next one I receive I will have 5 excellent examples .

I can spot a faked antique a mile away after 9 years of collecting .
I have absolutely no idea why dealers try to perpetrate this crap when a good new piece will fetch as much or more money .

BluErf · 8th December 2005, 03:05 AM

I think there could be a shift in collecting emphasis. In the past, collectors wanted antique kerises, but now, there are collectors who would buy kerises for what they are - works of art.

BSMStar · 8th December 2005, 06:42 PM

My greatest hope is that these fine craftsmen are some how recognized and that the art is keep alive. Since Empu has such a special significance and meaning, maybe a new title should be invented for the "new masters" if this art. Then maybe we will see more master pieces produced and sold based on their inherent value rather than damaging them to look old.

A tree can only grow into the future by being firmly attached to its roots.

8th December 2005, 06:42 PM	#7
BSMStar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO USA Posts: 312	Empus of the Future My greatest hope is that these fine craftsmen are some how recognized and that the art is keep alive. Since Empu has such a special significance and meaning, maybe a new title should be invented for the "new masters" if this art. Then maybe we will see more master pieces produced and sold based on their inherent value rather than damaging them to look old. A tree can only grow into the future by being firmly attached to its roots.

7th December 2005, 02:39 PM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Yes Sepang, i would say that if this were an old keris this would be a rather rare dapor, but it is not a fantasy piece, this keris is based on actual old examples. The workmanship on this one appears pretty good on this one and i think a keris like this looks pretty swank in pamorless black iron.

7th December 2005, 03:32 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Nice new work Sepang ! Good looking ukiran , great finish on the wrongko , and the pendok is quite pretty . A very nice ensemble . There is some very good stuff being made today ; it can be hard to find amongst all the ersatz 'antiques' . Thank heavens no one tried to 'age' it .....

8th December 2005, 01:08 AM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I'm seeing more and more good new kerises these days which are not artificially aged. I think high-quality new kerises are beginning to find their niche in the world of keris. And they are usually more expensive than the old ones of equivalent quality. Some of these kerises are made with 'designer' modern steel such as D2, and tempered (can pick up a coin easily). So, they are not only beautiful, they are to some extent, functional too.

8th December 2005, 03:05 AM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I think there could be a shift in collecting emphasis. In the past, collectors wanted antique kerises, but now, there are collectors who would buy kerises for what they are - works of art.