Breech loading 1450-1550

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A Suhl made breechloading Bockbüchse, early 17th c., in the historic arsenal (German: Zeughaus) at the Kunstsammlungen der Veste (fortress) Coburg, Franconia, Northern Bavaria.
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[Spiridonov]

Michael, thank You for this great photos of breechloader. I think that cartridge for this gun was longer than breech thereby rear end of cartridge should be a little sticking out of the breech. When the breech block lift up it cut away rear end of the cartridge (like a guillotine) and powder fall on the deepening of breech block. So there is no need to fill powder on the pan from powder flask. I do not pretend that this is true but just a hypothesis. What makes me think this way? Here is one picture show us ignition channel bending. So, there is not possibility to pierce cartridge by awl through the touch hole. It’s mean that cartridge should be cut of like on sharps rifle to make contact powder with ignition channel. Moreover recess width is too large. This suggests that this recess is designed to catch the powder falling out of the cartridge. This makes gunpowder falling from the edges to the center. By the way gun of absolutely similar design is in the museum of artillery in Saint-Petersburg

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Originally Posted by Spiridonov

Michael, thank You for this great photos of breechloader. I think that cartridge for this gun was longer than breech thereby rear end of cartridge should be a little sticking out of the breech. When the breech block lift up it cut away rear end of the cartridge (like a guillotine) and powder fall on the deepening of breech block. So there is no need to fill powder on the pan from powder flask.

Hi Alexander,

Your idea sounds brilliant and at the same time both logical and very practical - thank you indeed!
The only thing that still makes me ponder is that very spacious trough on top of the barrel, right around the touch hole area. Do you think it was possible that, when closing the breech shut and ripping open the paper of the cartridge, enough powder was pressed up out, and all the way through the thick iron barrel wall, and the tiny touch hole, unto it actually filled that large pan-like trough?
I'm not sure about that thesis.

But as you have the same gun in St. Petersburg - why not simple go there and practice with it, right there in the museum?

Best wishes as ever, my brillant friend,
Michael

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After that much artillery, here is a more handy 17th c. specimen: a fine breechloading wheellock rifle for hunting, Poland, ca. 1630.
It sold 25 October 2009 at Czerny's, Sarzana.

Best,
Michael

[cel7]

Hi, this is my first post on this forum. I live in the Netherlands and have a broad interest in European history and warfare through the ages.

Few weeks ago i bought this cannon wich was original unearthed in the surrounding of Nijmegen. The man i bought it from, kept it in his barn for 40 years.

Maybe some of you have already seen it on a other forum where i posted it.

I saw this great tread about 15e century cannons, so perhaps may recognize one of the members this specific type. I have already received some very good info on the other forum but maybe someone can tell if there is a name for this type of short cannon and what the purpose was (defensive, offensive?).

It's Forged, 54cm long and the bore has a caliber of 11,5cm. Its a breech loader with an internal ring in the breech end. The strange thing is, and i can not find it on other ones, that it has zigzag decoration on the rings. Not all the way around but 3/4 of the diameter. My gues is that the part that lay in the mount was left smooth. According to a specialist on the other forum "not arsenal made". What is your opinion?

[Marcus den toom]

Hi my fellow Dutchman
Welcome to this forum and congratulations on that amazing breech loading cannon. I never saw this one before, it looks like a cannon i found in this illustration from the manuscript "Ms. germ. qu. 14 (Ausst. 48) - Rüst- und Feuerwerksbuch" Made in around the 1500s. That decoration was in use quit a while if i am not mistaken, but i too never saw it on such a cannon before. I would however dare to say that this cannon was originally made somewhere in Germany, but correct me (anyone) if i am wrong)

http://sammlungen.ub.uni-frankfurt.d...leinfo/3656793