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5th December 2005, 03:15 PM
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Hi Ahriman, welcome back!
 Nice work on that vambrace. Helmets of the type you described were used in India from the 16th-19th century (and probably a lot earlier). Here's one from the Royal Armouries in Leeds:  Another one from the Royal armouries:  This one is from "Hindu Arms and Ritual" by Robert Elgood: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...6th-17thC3.jpg You seem to be going for a very Indian look at the moment. Other helmets of the same type from the Royal Armouries: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...ate_17th_c.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...ard_17th_c.jpg Oh yes, I recently found this picture of a 15th century Mamluk Krug, look familiar?  http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...amlukKrug1.jpg |
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5th December 2005, 05:39 PM
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Wow, thanks, very useful pictures...
Again, something I thought I invented... Is it possible that either the krug got there, or these helmets got to the turks? The buyer with the new vambraces would like them combined, and I'm curious that how correct would this be. Yes, I simply love indian stuff, btw... Maybe with small alterations here and there...
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5th December 2005, 06:13 PM
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I think there are few doubts about the Krug. Not only did the Ottomans make extensive use of krugs themselves, but after the Ottomans conquered the Mamluk Sultanate in 1517, they carted huge amounts of Mamluk armour and weapons back to Istanbul. It was subsequently reused by Ottoman troops. With regards to using Indian-style mail and plate helmets we are on much shakier ground. There is no doubt that Mughul armour was influenced by Ottoman and Persian armour, but the influence seems to have flown in only one direction. I haven't seen any Ottoman helmets with a similar method of construction.
By the way, I've found pics of another Indian helmet of a similar type: http://www.ashokaarts.com/armour/ar-5.html |
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9th December 2005, 08:14 AM
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Ehm, I was thinking about such a design less than a week ago... Is there nothing new I could invent?
Would it be correct to put arabic text onto the disc of the krug instead of radial flutes? My costumer would like the word "Allah" onto it, but I can't recall any examples... problem is that that I'm quite against using fantasy style stuff for serious reenacting, so I ask for +50% if the buyer wants something that's out of style, or if it can't be explained by combining existing and contacting styles. |
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9th December 2005, 07:34 PM
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 Why just stop at "Allah". Many real Islamic armours and weapons had a variety of inscriptions, including verses from the Qur'an, the names and titles of the Sultan that the warrior wearing the armour was serving, and in the case of armour made for high ranking amirs, the names and titles of the owner.
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10th December 2005, 04:21 PM
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Ok, thanks, nice picture again...
I'll stop at Allah because of the price... I got $50 for the vambraces, and I'll get $225 for the krug which will be blacked as well...  Another reason is that I've started learning arabic only very recently... I could copy, of course, but I want to understand exactly what I write.Oh, and I'll get $50 for the indian-like helmet as well... :-/ |
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10th December 2005, 07:55 PM
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I have to say your prices sound pretty reasonable. hmm... |
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