WAR HAMMERS for Footmen and Horsemen, 14th to 16th Centuries

kronckew · 3rd December 2014, 11:14 PM

ach! bist du hollandisch, fernando?

fernando o Monstro de Biscoito

fernando · 4th December 2014, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

ach! bist du hollandisch, fernando?...

En ook 'n Afrikaner, my vriend

Amazing coincidence that, after having lived for a couple years in (then Afrikaans) South Africa by accident, i returned home and ended up working in a Dutch owned company. But make no mistake, all i recognize is a couple words and the general sound; the rest is work done by translating engines

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

fernando o Monstro de Biscoito

Ah, um português bastante razoável ... but i am no biscuit monster at all; that's all Jasper had available in the table

kronckew · 4th December 2014, 05:28 PM

afrikaans is of course a descendant of old dutch. the dutch almost always seem to also speak fairly good english. english itself is very close to frisian, another dutch/german dialect.
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google translate and auto-spell can be a dangerous thing.

you might want to say 'those little sausages were tasty' and what comes out is 'i want to eat your baby's fingers'. which may not go over too well in some areas.

this video pretty much covers the subject:

Monty Python - the hungarian phrase book

(i had a hard time trying to render 'cookie monster' into portugese. 'monster of biscuits' doesn't quite have the same ring to it. why brits call cookies biscuits i do not know. back home biscuits are unsweetened crisp savoury baked things that we put cheese on. we give dogs biscuits. cookies are sugar based sweet crisp pastries hopefully with chocolate.)

anyway, i suspect you are indeed fairly proficient in portuguese. i bet you almost speak it like a native.

i speak baby german, that is, like about a 3-4 yr. old. have terrible time with masculine and feminine words and tenses. like you mention, i use google translate to cover a lot of sins and have a vague idea of what i'm trying to say coming out the other end. i apparently have an austrian accent, which proper germans find a bit redneck and country farmer-ish. being an american redneck/country feller, that's OK. it was amusing when some of my austrian grandmother's relative came visiting from vienna, they of course were tallking in (austrian) german, and my poor granny was replying in pidgeon german-english. for the german words she forgot after being in the USA for 60 odd years, she used the english one instead. they spoke english luckily, and by the time they left were also speaking the same patois.

... and english was always my worst subject in school. google does not have 'redneck' in the list of languages.

sadly, my hovercraft is still full of eels. (én légpárnás még mindig tele van angolna)
meu hovercraft ainda está cheio de enguias. mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist immer noch voller Aale.

Matchlock · 5th December 2014, 12:45 PM

Two fine horseman's hammers, Germany, mid 16th century.

Please note the punched wavy snake-like ornamentation which, together with the characteristic three dots, accounts for the dating of the first item.

The etched and gilt hunting scenes of the hammer in the V&A museum London allows for dating it "ca. 1530-50".

Best,
m

Matchlock · 5th December 2014, 01:00 PM

This fine hammer in the collections of the Metropolitan Museujm N.Y., richly decorated with cut and pierced ornaments in the Italian manner, can also be dated to the mid 16th c.

m

Matchlock · 8th December 2014, 02:52 PM

This good horseman's hammer, ca. 1525-40, all iron parts heavily pitted, failed to sell at Czerny's two days ago.

Matchlock · 8th December 2014, 03:46 PM

Another horseman's hammer, ca. 1525-40, the grip retaining its original leather wrist loop securiing it to the wrist, the laynyard, is in the museum of Schloss Grandson, Switzerland.
The (rather poor) image was retrieved from Facebook.

For a tiny group of such hammers combined with a wheellock gun, please see:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19388

Attachments, from top:

- 3 atts., dated 1427: cod. membr. 8., f. 32v; monastery library in Sarnen, Switzerland

- dated 1459: Hans Talhoffer: Alte Armatur- und Ringkunst, Bavaria, f. 109v-110r;
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Talhoffer

- a finely made hammer, mid-15th c., and a chiseled and gilt head, mid-16th c., in the Bayerisches Nationalmuseum München; author's photos
- a good selection of hammers in the museum of Burg Eltz; photos copyrighted by Ralf Maier

3rd December 2014, 11:14 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	ach! bist du hollandisch, fernando? fernando o Monstro de Biscoito Last edited by kronckew; 3rd December 2014 at 11:53 PM.

4th December 2014, 05:28 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	afrikaans is of course a descendant of old dutch. the dutch almost always seem to also speak fairly good english. english itself is very close to frisian, another dutch/german dialect. . google translate and auto-spell can be a dangerous thing. you might want to say 'those little sausages were tasty' and what comes out is 'i want to eat your baby's fingers'. which may not go over too well in some areas. this video pretty much covers the subject: Monty Python - the hungarian phrase book (i had a hard time trying to render 'cookie monster' into portugese. 'monster of biscuits' doesn't quite have the same ring to it. why brits call cookies biscuits i do not know. back home biscuits are unsweetened crisp savoury baked things that we put cheese on. we give dogs biscuits. cookies are sugar based sweet crisp pastries hopefully with chocolate.) anyway, i suspect you are indeed fairly proficient in portuguese. i bet you almost speak it like a native. i speak baby german, that is, like about a 3-4 yr. old. have terrible time with masculine and feminine words and tenses. like you mention, i use google translate to cover a lot of sins and have a vague idea of what i'm trying to say coming out the other end. i apparently have an austrian accent, which proper germans find a bit redneck and country farmer-ish. being an american redneck/country feller, that's OK. it was amusing when some of my austrian grandmother's relative came visiting from vienna, they of course were tallking in (austrian) german, and my poor granny was replying in pidgeon german-english. for the german words she forgot after being in the USA for 60 odd years, she used the english one instead. they spoke english luckily, and by the time they left were also speaking the same patois. ... and english was always my worst subject in school. google does not have 'redneck' in the list of languages. sadly, my hovercraft is still full of eels. (én légpárnás még mindig tele van angolna) meu hovercraft ainda está cheio de enguias. mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist immer noch voller Aale. Last edited by kronckew; 4th December 2014 at 06:21 PM.

5th December 2014, 12:45 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Two fine horseman's hammers, Germany, mid 16th century. Please note the punched wavy snake-like ornamentation which, together with the characteristic three dots, accounts for the dating of the first item. The etched and gilt hunting scenes of the hammer in the V&A museum London allows for dating it "ca. 1530-50". Best, m Attached Images

5th December 2014, 01:00 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	This fine hammer in the collections of the Metropolitan Museujm N.Y., richly decorated with cut and pierced ornaments in the Italian manner, can also be dated to the mid 16th c. m Attached Images

8th December 2014, 02:52 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	This good horseman's hammer, ca. 1525-40, all iron parts heavily pitted, failed to sell at Czerny's two days ago. Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 8th December 2014 at 03:41 PM.

8th December 2014, 03:46 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Another horseman's hammer, ca. 1525-40, the grip retaining its original leather wrist loop securiing it to the wrist, the laynyard, is in the museum of Schloss Grandson, Switzerland. The (rather poor) image was retrieved from Facebook. For a tiny group of such hammers combined with a wheellock gun, please see: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19388 Attachments, from top: - 3 atts., dated 1427: cod. membr. 8., f. 32v; monastery library in Sarnen, Switzerland - dated 1459: Hans Talhoffer: Alte Armatur- und Ringkunst, Bavaria, f. 109v-110r; see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Talhoffer - a finely made hammer, mid-15th c., and a chiseled and gilt head, mid-16th c., in the Bayerisches Nationalmuseum München; author's photos - a good selection of hammers in the museum of Burg Eltz; photos copyrighted by Ralf Maier Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 8th December 2014 at 08:17 PM.