Long Philippine Swords

Rick · 1st December 2005, 04:43 PM

Ariel , I get the impression that sword terminology in the Philippines is at least every bit as confusing as keris terminology is in Indonesia .
What is called by one name in a certain area is called by another a few kilometers away .
I think that point was made earlier in the thread by more than one person.

Kind of like the Italian sandwich in America .
In one place it's a 'Sub' in another a 'Grinder' , some other places it's called a 'Wedge' , a 'Hoagie' ad infinitum .

I'd also like to address another subject that has come up in this thread ; the issue of sniping .
Whether this is ethical or not the point is moot ; eBay allows it .

I am much of the same mind as Mabagani in that I rarely use eBay any more .
The prices are inflated most of the time and so many seek the same thing .

Before hard feelings get involved though I think we all need to realize one thing ; not everyone here knows every Forum member's eBay username .
My forum name is not my eBay handle ; how many of you have the same user ID as your forum name ?

LabanTayo · 1st December 2005, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

how many of you have the same user ID as your forum name ?

I do.........

Rick · 1st December 2005, 05:34 PM

Well , I guess I'd be Rick 324576 or something like that then .
Instead , I'm raffles and if I get sniped then so be it ; I've been sniped by other members before . <shrug>
I've never taken it personally .

zelbone · 1st December 2005, 06:14 PM

...well....I'll say it again

I wouldn't get hung up on terminology...it's a moot point. Even for us "native" Visayans (er...haf Visayan

) it's confusing. I learned that firsthand myself in the Visayas...exposed to 4 different dialects...just 4!

LabanTayo said something to us last night during silat practice that was relative..."you could learn a thousand ways to punch, but in the end a punch is just a punch."

...same as a sword is just a sword.

And in the Visayas, it really doesn't matter what a sword is called when one is pointed at you...all that matters then is the sword you have in your hand and your confidence in you're ability to use it.

That is what Visayan swords are all about...the reality of it...they are just instruments of death...

...and it's not that we (i.e. the Filipino members here) cannot agree to proper taxonomy on this issue...but it's more out of respect for each others dialect/culture/heritage. The last thing a Filipino wants to do is offend another Filipino. As I've said before offending another Filipino usually ends up with drawn swords....thinks about...why are there so many different Filipino swords

?

...as for sniping

I understand eBay is fair game...it's an auction. But, if I see another forum member bidding on something, I usually leave it alone or at least email that person to work out a deal. We each have our own niche and most of us know each other's niche. But what really upsets me is to be sniped by someone here and then have them post it and ask for MY opinion. I've been called out on several threads lately as an "expert" on certain pieces that I've been sniped on. Do you guys really think I will say anything then? I may be the one with the "answers" but sniping me and then posting them here won't get those "answers" from me.

LabanTayo · 1st December 2005, 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=zelboneLabanTayo said something to us last night during silat practice that was relative..."you could learn a thousand ways to punch, but in the end a punch is just a punch."
[QUOTE]

Just want to give credit for the reference, Bruce Lee made the comment
"a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick".

Spunjer · 1st December 2005, 10:11 PM

lol @ this thread...

themorningstar · 1st December 2005, 11:10 PM

what an interesting thread so far....
a few words to fellow forumites....
labantayo and zelbone- i share your same opinions.. but we all know it's all sundang...or is it??? lolz..maraming salamat...
mabagani- thank you swordbrother ( pig-sticker.. gotta love it )
zamboanga- the pictures of the swords on the cebueskrima site are actually mine ( as a matter of fact their next to me lolz..)
ian- i am not an expert on visayan swords, but i am not stumped, i know exactly what the sword is and where its from. my reason for fact omission is due to sniping difficulties beyond my control. lolz.
bsmstar- hello and thank you for your input, i like your process theory. regarding confederate sword, you would actually be surprised at how many turn up under that heading on ebay... lolz.. good luck on your deity hilt hunt
ariel- one answer to your question is actually in my statement " it's a sundang" it took a few forum members a little bit to figure it out, but they did. i am confident you will find the answer as well.
rick- i don't know you, but cheers!
spunjer-i'm right along with you... lolz...

MABAGANI · 2nd December 2005, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelbone

...same as a sword is just a sword.

...unless its a barung.

1st December 2005, 04:43 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Ariel , I get the impression that sword terminology in the Philippines is at least every bit as confusing as keris terminology is in Indonesia . What is called by one name in a certain area is called by another a few kilometers away . I think that point was made earlier in the thread by more than one person. Kind of like the Italian sandwich in America . In one place it's a 'Sub' in another a 'Grinder' , some other places it's called a 'Wedge' , a 'Hoagie' ad infinitum . I'd also like to address another subject that has come up in this thread ; the issue of sniping . Whether this is ethical or not the point is moot ; eBay allows it . I am much of the same mind as Mabagani in that I rarely use eBay any more . The prices are inflated most of the time and so many seek the same thing . Before hard feelings get involved though I think we all need to realize one thing ; not everyone here knows every Forum member's eBay username . My forum name is not my eBay handle ; how many of you have the same user ID as your forum name ? Last edited by Rick; 1st December 2005 at 05:12 PM. Reason: More thoughts ........

1st December 2005, 05:34 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Well , I guess I'd be Rick 324576 or something like that then . Instead , I'm raffles and if I get sniped then so be it ; I've been sniped by other members before . <shrug> I've never taken it personally .

1st December 2005, 06:14 PM	#4
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	...well....I'll say it again I wouldn't get hung up on terminology...it's a moot point. Even for us "native" Visayans (er...haf Visayan ) it's confusing. I learned that firsthand myself in the Visayas...exposed to 4 different dialects...just 4! LabanTayo said something to us last night during silat practice that was relative..."you could learn a thousand ways to punch, but in the end a punch is just a punch." ...same as a sword is just a sword. And in the Visayas, it really doesn't matter what a sword is called when one is pointed at you...all that matters then is the sword you have in your hand and your confidence in you're ability to use it. That is what Visayan swords are all about...the reality of it...they are just instruments of death... ...and it's not that we (i.e. the Filipino members here) cannot agree to proper taxonomy on this issue...but it's more out of respect for each others dialect/culture/heritage. The last thing a Filipino wants to do is offend another Filipino. As I've said before offending another Filipino usually ends up with drawn swords....thinks about...why are there so many different Filipino swords ? ...as for sniping I understand eBay is fair game...it's an auction. But, if I see another forum member bidding on something, I usually leave it alone or at least email that person to work out a deal. We each have our own niche and most of us know each other's niche. But what really upsets me is to be sniped by someone here and then have them post it and ask for MY opinion. I've been called out on several threads lately as an "expert" on certain pieces that I've been sniped on. Do you guys really think I will say anything then? I may be the one with the "answers" but sniping me and then posting them here won't get those "answers" from me.

1st December 2005, 07:59 PM	#5
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	[QUOTE=zelboneLabanTayo said something to us last night during silat practice that was relative..."you could learn a thousand ways to punch, but in the end a punch is just a punch." [QUOTE] Just want to give credit for the reference, Bruce Lee made the comment "a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick".

1st December 2005, 10:11 PM	#6
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	lol @ this thread...

1st December 2005, 11:10 PM	#7
themorningstar Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 55	what an interesting thread so far.... a few words to fellow forumites.... labantayo and zelbone- i share your same opinions.. but we all know it's all sundang...or is it??? lolz..maraming salamat... mabagani- thank you swordbrother ( pig-sticker.. gotta love it ) zamboanga- the pictures of the swords on the cebueskrima site are actually mine ( as a matter of fact their next to me lolz..) ian- i am not an expert on visayan swords, but i am not stumped, i know exactly what the sword is and where its from. my reason for fact omission is due to sniping difficulties beyond my control. lolz. bsmstar- hello and thank you for your input, i like your process theory. regarding confederate sword, you would actually be surprised at how many turn up under that heading on ebay... lolz.. good luck on your deity hilt hunt ariel- one answer to your question is actually in my statement " it's a sundang" it took a few forum members a little bit to figure it out, but they did. i am confident you will find the answer as well. rick- i don't know you, but cheers! spunjer-i'm right along with you... lolz...