Pamor Blade of a Pedang Lurus

Sajen · 15th September 2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Sorry people.

Alan cannot add much to this discussion.

I looked at the thread last night, but I do not know what I'm looking at. I've never seen a blade of this shape in mounts like this, the hilt appears not to have been made for the blade:- note the visible amount of jabung around the blade base, usually the hole in the hilt is kept as close as possible to the blade base.

I have never seen pamor like like this, I do not know how those scallops along the edge were done.

The dress doesn't look all that old, I'd guess second half 20th century. This sort of dress was popular from the 19th century through to at least WWII and it almost always has quite a few dings along the edges and at the scabbard tip, sometimes there are dings on the guard or other parts of the hilt. The hilt and scabbard on this pedang look almost pristine.

Charles has said "silver alloy" nearly everybody calls mamas silver alloy, or native silver, or low content silver or similar. With all the silver test fluids I have used, silver tests red. If it tests other than red its not silver of any type.

No, I do not know what I'm looking at:-

old, recent, new? don't know

silver or mamas? don't know --- but if it is mamas it will be older, pre-WWII.

blade made as is, or recycled? don't know

quality work or market quality work? don't know

pamor work is certainly unusual, but is this a quality blade or just a show piece? don't know

Too many questions attached to this piece to give any opinion at all.

Question:- how long is it? blade length, overall length?

Very interesting observations Alan! I have noticed the unusual blade shape for a pedang lurus of this type. It could be that an old cut down blade (keris or pedang) was used due the unusual pamor for this pedang. But just a guess. This would explain some of your observations.

Regards,
Detlef

CharlesS · 15th September 2014, 06:30 PM

Dimensions of the piece:

Overall: 21.5in.

Blade: 15.5in.

Blade width at the forte: 1.25in.

The blade does seem unusual for such a sword in the way that it fits into the hilt. I would expect it to be wider at the forte, as so many are.

Rick · 15th September 2014, 07:05 PM

Do you have any information on the piece from the Seller, Charles ?
I think you've got something unique there to say the least .

How would one go about constructing a blade like that ?
Is the true color of the metal as shown in the pictures ?

CharlesS · 15th September 2014, 08:37 PM

Hi Rick,

The seller had no info. I was just immediately intrigued by the blade. Clearly there is lamination here, but how those "cut outs"(for lack or a better term!) were created I don't know. Perhaps chiseling?...though they don't look chiseled. Perhaps some sort of fill, almost like a lost wax method? Note that one goes through the blade and I am assuming that is a forging flaw.

The blade color is absolutely true to the pics. I went out of my way to get good light in these pics because I thought the blade color might be an important factor.

I was hoping this would be immediately recognizable to some folks here, but apparently it only raises more questions.

Thanks for all the comments and insight.

Andrew · 15th September 2014, 10:52 PM

What I know about forging blades wouldn't fill a thimble, but it looks to me like the edges were folded over the central portion of the blade. Wouldn't the "dips" along the folded-over edge be easy to form while the metal was hot by hammering it edge-wise prior to folding over?

15th September 2014, 07:05 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Do you have any information on the piece from the Seller, Charles ? I think you've got something unique there to say the least . How would one go about constructing a blade like that ? Is the true color of the metal as shown in the pictures ? Last edited by Rick; 15th September 2014 at 07:22 PM.

15th September 2014, 06:30 PM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Dimensions of the piece: Overall: 21.5in. Blade: 15.5in. Blade width at the forte: 1.25in. The blade does seem unusual for such a sword in the way that it fits into the hilt. I would expect it to be wider at the forte, as so many are.

15th September 2014, 08:37 PM	#4
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Hi Rick, The seller had no info. I was just immediately intrigued by the blade. Clearly there is lamination here, but how those "cut outs"(for lack or a better term!) were created I don't know. Perhaps chiseling?...though they don't look chiseled. Perhaps some sort of fill, almost like a lost wax method? Note that one goes through the blade and I am assuming that is a forging flaw. The blade color is absolutely true to the pics. I went out of my way to get good light in these pics because I thought the blade color might be an important factor. I was hoping this would be immediately recognizable to some folks here, but apparently it only raises more questions. Thanks for all the comments and insight.

15th September 2014, 10:52 PM	#5
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	What I know about forging blades wouldn't fill a thimble, but it looks to me like the edges were folded over the central portion of the blade. Wouldn't the "dips" along the folded-over edge be easy to form while the metal was hot by hammering it edge-wise prior to folding over?