Kris & Sundang twist core Ganja or Gonjo

Emanuel · 13th August 2014, 07:47 PM

Hello,

Keris gonjo is made by cutting a piece of material from the blade forging, as shown in the video posted here, so the gonjo should be of the same pattern-welded material as the blade.

If this forging method is also common to Malay pieces, then I would expect the twistcore gonjo to be fairly common to most twistcore sundang

I will be sure to may more attention to the gonjo from now on.

Emanuel

Gavin Nugent · 14th August 2014, 02:54 AM

Thanks Emanuel.

I do find this area of Kris, Sundang and Keris very interesting.

I am not smith but there are some very tricky methods used to obtain some very beautiful and amazing Gonjo that are often overlooked...some no matter how hard I look, I cannot fathom how they were made, equally so for the blades.

With regards to the initial image presented, visually, to me, this appears to be a good insight in to twistcore manufacture well before final forging, a thick non flattened twistcore cross section. Ric may be able to chime in here too.

Lets see what comes out of the Twistie collectors collections.

Gustav · 14th August 2014, 08:37 AM

Gavin, you surely have found this:

www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8087

Gavin Nugent · 14th August 2014, 09:02 AM

Thank you Gustav,

I did see this through twistcore searches. I am surprised the discussion ended there.

I saw a hint of twistcore Gonjo in this rare example that Maurice presented, post #25.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...stcore+Sundang

These two and mine also all share a similar chevron layering at the base of the blade or differing quality.

Of all the Moro Twistcore Kris I viewed within these pages, I could not find one twisted Gonjo.

So David, until such time a Moro example is placed here, this might suit you better in the Keris forum

David · 17th August 2014, 02:08 AM

Well then, let's see if this thread gets any traction here on the keris forum since this is technically an Indonesian Keris.
As was suggested earlier i believe, more images would probably be helpful to the discussion.

A. G. Maisey · 17th August 2014, 03:21 AM

I suggest that adequate photos of the item under discussion would help a lot.

Personally I cannot see sufficient from the posted photo to permit me to make any comment.

A full length photo of the entire keris + a close-up of the sorsoran including gonjo + a close up of the complete top and complete side of the gonjo, all photos taken in full shade would perhaps give sufficiently clear images to permit comment.

Gavin Nugent · 17th August 2014, 05:17 AM

Thanks David,

See what comes about this specific aspect of these Sundang types.

Gustav was good enough to bring one forth from Michael’s earlier postings...that conversation didn't amount to much after presenting the entire piece...Hopefully it might gain traction now 5 years on.
I have linked the other twistie Gongo, albeit an unclear image shown in the thread...

Other Twist core Sundang Gonjo (Or a Kris if it exists) would be more helpful to the discussion about twistcore Gonjo.

Here is the face pattern.

14th August 2014, 09:02 AM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you Gustav, I did see this through twistcore searches. I am surprised the discussion ended there. I saw a hint of twistcore Gonjo in this rare example that Maurice presented, post #25. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...stcore+Sundang These two and mine also all share a similar chevron layering at the base of the blade or differing quality. Of all the Moro Twistcore Kris I viewed within these pages, I could not find one twisted Gonjo. So David, until such time a Moro example is placed here, this might suit you better in the Keris forum Last edited by SwordsAntiqueWeapons; 14th August 2014 at 09:50 AM.

17th August 2014, 05:17 AM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks David, See what comes about this specific aspect of these Sundang types. Gustav was good enough to bring one forth from Michael’s earlier postings...that conversation didn't amount to much after presenting the entire piece...Hopefully it might gain traction now 5 years on. I have linked the other twistie Gongo, albeit an unclear image shown in the thread... Other Twist core Sundang Gonjo (Or a Kris if it exists) would be more helpful to the discussion about twistcore Gonjo. Here is the face pattern. Attached Images

13th August 2014, 07:47 PM	#1
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hello, Keris gonjo is made by cutting a piece of material from the blade forging, as shown in the video posted here, so the gonjo should be of the same pattern-welded material as the blade. If this forging method is also common to Malay pieces, then I would expect the twistcore gonjo to be fairly common to most twistcore sundang I will be sure to may more attention to the gonjo from now on. Emanuel

14th August 2014, 02:54 AM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks Emanuel. I do find this area of Kris, Sundang and Keris very interesting. I am not smith but there are some very tricky methods used to obtain some very beautiful and amazing Gonjo that are often overlooked...some no matter how hard I look, I cannot fathom how they were made, equally so for the blades. With regards to the initial image presented, visually, to me, this appears to be a good insight in to twistcore manufacture well before final forging, a thick non flattened twistcore cross section. Ric may be able to chime in here too. Lets see what comes out of the Twistie collectors collections. Last edited by SwordsAntiqueWeapons; 14th August 2014 at 08:56 AM. Reason: Second thoughts on the alignment of the Twistcore Gonjo

14th August 2014, 08:37 AM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Gavin, you surely have found this: www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8087

17th August 2014, 02:08 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,209	Well then, let's see if this thread gets any traction here on the keris forum since this is technically an Indonesian Keris. As was suggested earlier i believe, more images would probably be helpful to the discussion.

17th August 2014, 03:21 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	I suggest that adequate photos of the item under discussion would help a lot. Personally I cannot see sufficient from the posted photo to permit me to make any comment. A full length photo of the entire keris + a close-up of the sorsoran including gonjo + a close up of the complete top and complete side of the gonjo, all photos taken in full shade would perhaps give sufficiently clear images to permit comment.