Breech loading chamber for ID

fernando · 7th August 2014, 04:57 PM

This one is already known to the forum; but this time the question is different; to find out its possible origin.
I ignore whether these chambers have patterns exclusive to each country and if it is possible to tell their origin by just looking at their shape.
It would be great if one (or more) of our members could define its country of origin.
Length 20 cms, caliber 45 m/m, exterior width 9 cms., weight 6,6 kgs.

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cornelistromp · 7th August 2014, 08:26 PM

Spanish Portuguese late 15thC.

best,
jasper

fernando · 8th August 2014, 03:42 PM

Thank you so much for your input and for the most interesting drawing, Jasper.
Pity that it is rather small; wish you could provide me with a larger one, for my archives

Mind you, this chamber was not acquired in Portugal, but bought in an international seller. So i thought the probabilities for this example being Portuguese were remote. As it was reputed by the seller to have been found in the sea of Cortez, i would admit it could be Spanish, the ones to whom this half of the world pertained, but you know how sellers may be misinformed. It is always terrible to identify items that are not marked. Not the same as with the Portuguese cannons of the period, like this typical bronze "Berço" Manuelino, from around 1500, with the royal arms and the traditional globe, a symbol favoured by King Dom Manuel.

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fernando · 13th September 2014, 01:58 PM

Oh, how i wish to have a breech loading cannon (berço) ... a small one would be fine

For the time being i overcome my frustration with naïve simulations ... in noble Afizelia wood

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7th August 2014, 04:57 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Breech loading chamber for ID This one is already known to the forum; but this time the question is different; to find out its possible origin. I ignore whether these chambers have patterns exclusive to each country and if it is possible to tell their origin by just looking at their shape. It would be great if one (or more) of our members could define its country of origin. Length 20 cms, caliber 45 m/m, exterior width 9 cms., weight 6,6 kgs. . Attached Images

7th August 2014, 08:26 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	Spanish Portuguese late 15thC. best, jasper Attached Images

8th August 2014, 03:42 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you so much for your input and for the most interesting drawing, Jasper. Pity that it is rather small; wish you could provide me with a larger one, for my archives Mind you, this chamber was not acquired in Portugal, but bought in an international seller. So i thought the probabilities for this example being Portuguese were remote. As it was reputed by the seller to have been found in the sea of Cortez, i would admit it could be Spanish, the ones to whom this half of the world pertained, but you know how sellers may be misinformed. It is always terrible to identify items that are not marked. Not the same as with the Portuguese cannons of the period, like this typical bronze "Berço" Manuelino, from around 1500, with the royal arms and the traditional globe, a symbol favoured by King Dom Manuel. . Attached Images

13th September 2014, 01:58 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Who doesn't have dog, hunts with a cat Oh, how i wish to have a breech loading cannon (berço) ... a small one would be fine For the time being i overcome my frustration with naïve simulations ... in noble Afizelia wood . Attached Images