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[Matchlock]

Originally Posted by Marcus den toom

Thank you Michl, words like these inspire me to dig even further into the quit complicated matter of early firearms.

And no worries, i was already doubtfull of the authenticity of the colourfull haquebuts. When comparing the red minium of your fine stangenbüsche (i hope i spelled it correctly ) with that of the Wiener Waffenkammer i became sceptic and a bit sad about the haquebuts. Still they are haquebuts and the form (contours) are still pretty much original

Well done, Marcus,

Your German is a zillion times better than my Nederlands (I even had to look that word up ...)
May I suggest replacing 'stangenbüsche' by Stangenbüchse?
Who cares for German anyway?

Best,
Michl

[Marcus den toom]

Your both correct, Stangenbüchse... but even more difficult, der/die/das/die Stangenbüchse (internet says "das" ) . I never have been good at gramatics, i even got only a 6 (out of 10) on my Dutch language exams and a 9 for English

My parents returned from there holiday and they also visited some German castles, among them Veste Lundinghausen. They have a haquebut, excavated from nearby, with a reproduction stock on it. The whole thing resembles the Maximilian style a bit, but it is not one of them. The touch hole is to close to the breech to be a Maximilian type among other things.... also it is octagonal, the pan is to big and the barrel mouth is to massive.

The last picture is the description of this haquebut by the castle. 1440 seems far from the truth, without looking at the thread Michl has provided us i would say at least 50 to 60 years later based on the pan (the most recent feature). The barrel might have been reworked during its life. The hook seems older to me..

[Marcus den toom]

some more,

[Marcus den toom]

A site where you can search trough copper prints.

http://kk.haum-bs.de/

Also these pictures from pinterest i wanted to share.

[Marcus den toom]

some incendiiary devives deployed? Andi?



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[Marcus den toom]

Any thoughts on the above and below images?
I reposted the one with the city under siege... it looks like some wooden pole gun?
The third image is black powder in a "mortar" beeing prepaired/made.

[Andi]

Originally Posted by Marcus den toom

some incendiiary devives deployed? Andi?

Probably some burning fire balls?


The poled weapon in Michaels post of the Manuscript Judith and Holofernes of 1430 may be something like an early fire or tar lance (German: Pechlanze or Stumrlanze) or an incendiary torch. I would definitevely not interprete this weapon as a handgun.


Below a detail of Manuscript BNF Français 20090 Bible Historiale de Jean de Berry Folio 416r Dating 1380-1390 Bibliothèque Nationale Paris, France. Look at the red suited warrior on the lower right corner holding a burning weapon in his hands.

[Marcus den toom]

Hi Andi,

Though i see it as an amazing compliment those pictures where not supplied by Michl...

How would such a incendiary torch work Andi? It seems to me that the burning mass should be propelled some way before it gets trough and over the city walls?

[Paddy T.]

Originally Posted by Marcus den toom

My parents returned from there holiday and they also visited some German castles, among them Veste Lundinghausen. They have a haquebut, excavated from nearby, with a reproduction stock on it. The whole thing resembles the Maximilian style a bit, but it is not one of them. The touch hole is to close to the breech to be a Maximilian type among other things.... also it is octagonal, the pan is to big and the barrel mouth is to massive.

The last picture is the description of this haquebut by the castle. 1440 seems far from the truth, without looking at the thread Michl has provided us i would say at least 50 to 60 years later based on the pan (the most recent feature). The barrel might have been reworked during its life. The hook seems older to me..

I know this haquebut, in fact it´s stored in the Museum Burg Vischering in the city of Lüdinghausen, Germany. The dating made by the museum (ca. 1440-1460) is wrong, of course. There are different stylistic criteria (unfortunatelly most of them not visible on the photos) to date this weapon to "ca. 1500". The stock is a reproduction, unfortunatelly there is no information about the finding location or the finding circumstances of this weapon.