Kampi-Kaska-Kouba

spiral · 13th June 2014, 03:18 PM

My understanding is that there the early hilts.

Hence further evidence of the originality when combined with European blades as well!

But in truth not my field..... So couldn't rule out a particular locality or maker for instance.

Spiral

trenchwarfare · 13th June 2014, 03:30 PM

Pictures, after cleaning, and oiling.

Iain · 13th June 2014, 04:21 PM

Both are Berber, usually IDed as from Tunisia. NOT Tuareg Im afraid. Still very nice pieces of a fairly rare type with good blades.

spiral · 13th June 2014, 04:30 PM

Damn!

Sorry...TW. Still good though!

I have to bow to your knowledge of your subject Iain..

spiral

trenchwarfare · 13th June 2014, 06:48 PM

Thanks Iain. Searching is so much easier, when you know what you're searching for. Any idea as to age? No problem, Spiral. We all know more than we do, sometimes. It's part of the learning process. I try to learn something new, everyday.

spiral · 14th June 2014, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by trenchwarfare

No problem, Spiral. We all know more than we do, sometimes. It's part of the learning process. I try to learn something new, everyday.

Thanks TW, me to!

Looked through a few books this morning, trying to see where Id seen these identified as Taureg.. turns out it was from Anthony c. Tirris "" Islamic weapons" Mahgreb to Moghul""

Sadly that's just one of many mistakes in that book.

Nice coffee table style book though!

Spiral

Iain · 14th June 2014, 10:39 AM

Hi Guys,

These are a confusing one for sure. They have the look of a takouba hilt in many ways. Probably there's a shared heritage way back in the mists of time. But these with the horn hilts seem to be a more 'rough and ready' type of thing.

The blades seem to be quite often to be from European backswords.

On the age, I'm afraid I really don't know! But I would guess 19th century for sure.

Some older ones have metal work on the hilts as well. See this old thread: http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7429

I'd love to own one like that!

There was a bit of discussion here as well: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13911

I see them pop up every now and again but they are certainly far from common.

I haven't read the Tirri book, but from everything I've heard the text would probably just make me annoyed.

trenchwarfare · 13th June 2014, 06:48 PM

Thanks Iain. Searching is so much easier, when you know what you're searching for. Any idea as to age? No problem, Spiral. We all know more than we do, sometimes. It's part of the learning process. I try to learn something new, everyday.

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trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	Pictures, after cleaning, and oiling. Attached Images

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spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	My understanding is that there the early hilts. Hence further evidence of the originality when combined with European blades as well! But in truth not my field..... So couldn't rule out a particular locality or maker for instance. Spiral

13th June 2014, 04:21 PM	#3
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,719	Both are Berber, usually IDed as from Tunisia. NOT Tuareg Im afraid. Still very nice pieces of a fairly rare type with good blades.

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spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Damn! Sorry...TW. Still good though! I have to bow to your knowledge of your subject Iain.. spiral

13th June 2014, 06:48 PM	#5
trenchwarfare Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 385	Thanks Iain. Searching is so much easier, when you know what you're searching for. Any idea as to age? No problem, Spiral. We all know more than we do, sometimes. It's part of the learning process. I try to learn something new, everyday.

14th June 2014, 10:39 AM	#7
Iain Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Olomouc Posts: 1,719	Hi Guys, These are a confusing one for sure. They have the look of a takouba hilt in many ways. Probably there's a shared heritage way back in the mists of time. But these with the horn hilts seem to be a more 'rough and ready' type of thing. The blades seem to be quite often to be from European backswords. On the age, I'm afraid I really don't know! But I would guess 19th century for sure. Some older ones have metal work on the hilts as well. See this old thread: http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7429 I'd love to own one like that! There was a bit of discussion here as well: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13911 I see them pop up every now and again but they are certainly far from common. I haven't read the Tirri book, but from everything I've heard the text would probably just make me annoyed.