Re: The oldest known handgun in existence, ca. 1400-10

Matchlock · 3rd May 2014, 07:28 PM

Of course this is a long gun (German: Gewehr, Arkebuse or Langwaffe or arquebus, as, in English, handgun means a pistol or revolver (German: Faustfeuerwaffe).

Michael

Andi · 7th May 2014, 05:23 PM

I am wondering about the fact that DHM described its handgonne reconstruction with hook aquisition no W 86/1 as "Tannenberg-Büchse Nachbildung" (Tannenberg-Handgonne Reconstruction) while the original is without a hook. Even the second fragment of a bronze handgonne found in Tannenberg will not allow the reconstruction with a hook as this part was not preserved.
In my opinion DHM's description should have been expressed somewhat more generally without "Tannenberg".

Matchlock · 7th May 2014, 05:42 PM

Exactly, Andi,

I know their experts very well.
Like 99 per cent of all museum curators, they are art historians, and consequently do not know a thing about weapons in general, let alone earliest firearms!
Actually, they condemn weapons, and they despise everybody who is interested in those objects!

And that's a fact.
It's the same sad old story in any museum, wherever you go ...

And, of course, they do not care either ...

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 8th May 2014, 05:39 PM

As this thread is almost six years old, and has had almost 10,000 views - thank you all for reading! - , it is time to post better photos of my 'cover gun' that this thread basically was about - see my starting post.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 8th May 2014, 05:51 PM

And a few more.

Enjoy, and thanks again!

m

fernando · 8th May 2014, 07:23 PM

Such unique and most fascinating specimen. Thanks for sharing the excelent photos.

Matchlock · 8th May 2014, 07:40 PM

My pleasure, Nando,

As I obviously cannot present all of you with the real gun

, in a way I felt likeI owing the community better images.
Only very few people from the forum have attended my collection so far, and experienced the overwhelming impression of a room full of earliest Nothern European 'military' long guns, as well as hundreds of pieces of accouterments, including that very special 'perfume' of 400 to 700 year-old objects and leather.
Actually, only Alexender (Spiridonov) from St. Petersburg and Marcus from the Netherlands have made it to my home so far.

Best,
Michl

8th May 2014, 05:39 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	As this thread is almost six years old, and has had almost 10,000 views - thank you all for reading! - , it is time to post better photos of my 'cover gun' that this thread basically was about - see my starting post. Best, Michael Attached Images

8th May 2014, 05:51 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	And a few more. Enjoy, and thanks again! m Attached Images

3rd May 2014, 07:28 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Of course this is a long gun (German: Gewehr, Arkebuse or Langwaffe or arquebus, as, in English, handgun means a pistol or revolver (German: Faustfeuerwaffe). Michael

7th May 2014, 05:23 PM	#2
Andi Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Halstenbek, Germany Posts: 203	I am wondering about the fact that DHM described its handgonne reconstruction with hook aquisition no W 86/1 as "Tannenberg-Büchse Nachbildung" (Tannenberg-Handgonne Reconstruction) while the original is without a hook. Even the second fragment of a bronze handgonne found in Tannenberg will not allow the reconstruction with a hook as this part was not preserved. In my opinion DHM's description should have been expressed somewhat more generally without "Tannenberg".

7th May 2014, 05:42 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Exactly, Andi, I know their experts very well. Like 99 per cent of all museum curators, they are art historians, and consequently do not know a thing about weapons in general, let alone earliest firearms! Actually, they condemn weapons, and they despise everybody who is interested in those objects! And that's a fact. It's the same sad old story in any museum, wherever you go ... And, of course, they do not care either ... Best, Michael

8th May 2014, 07:23 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Such unique and most fascinating specimen. Thanks for sharing the excelent photos.

8th May 2014, 07:40 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	My pleasure, Nando, As I obviously cannot present all of you with the real gun , in a way I felt likeI owing the community better images. Only very few people from the forum have attended my collection so far, and experienced the overwhelming impression of a room full of earliest Nothern European 'military' long guns, as well as hundreds of pieces of accouterments, including that very special 'perfume' of 400 to 700 year-old objects and leather. Actually, only Alexender (Spiridonov) from St. Petersburg and Marcus from the Netherlands have made it to my home so far. Best, Michl