Moro Sword ID Help Needed.

Robert · 2nd May 2014, 07:05 PM

I have a rather large shandigan barong in my own collection but no matter what angle I have had it held by someone I cannot get it to resemble the one in the photo. It could be that my eyes are just getting older and my vision is definitely not what it used to be but I just cannot see this as being a barong. There is also the fact that the swords are identified as being of two different types in the description on the photo itself.

Robert

VVV · 2nd May 2014, 08:16 PM

Perhaps it is related to this blade?

Michael

Battara · 3rd May 2014, 01:21 AM

I'm with Ron. Creese was an old variation of kris, and early on many Americans didn't make (care to make) much of a distinction in nomenclature.

I also agree that it is the angle and lighting that make the other barong look different to me.

kino · 3rd May 2014, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

I have a rather large shandigan barong in my own collection but no matter what angle I have had it held by someone I cannot get it to resemble the one in the photo.
Robert

It looks like you dabble in forensics photography

I too believe that it's a Barung, perhaps one with a longer than usual slender blade. I took a photo of mine, trying to mimic the angle of the blade.

The one in the photo probably has a kamagong Jungayan pommel with a bone insets.

Robert · 4th May 2014, 05:53 AM

I would like to thank everyone so far for their very much appreciated opinions and help on this.
Kino, thank you for the comparative photo of your barong that helps to show how the camera angle can make an object appear very different from how it actually looks. I'm still not so sure that the photos I have posted show a Jungayan pommel on the sword in question, or if what looks to be part of the hilt is actually some kind of debris laying on the ground behind the subject. If you look real close at either of the above photos the very end section (possible Jungayan pommel) seems to be casting a shadow. Or like I said earlier, it could all just be that my not so great anymore vision is causing me to see things that are not there.

CharlesS · 4th May 2014, 12:54 PM

Kino,

That example of your's sure looks spot on with the one in the photo.

2nd May 2014, 07:05 PM	#1
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I have a rather large shandigan barong in my own collection but no matter what angle I have had it held by someone I cannot get it to resemble the one in the photo. It could be that my eyes are just getting older and my vision is definitely not what it used to be but I just cannot see this as being a barong. There is also the fact that the swords are identified as being of two different types in the description on the photo itself. Robert Attached Images Last edited by Robert; 2nd May 2014 at 07:21 PM.

2nd May 2014, 08:16 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Perhaps it is related to this blade? Michael Attached Images

3rd May 2014, 01:21 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,323	I'm with Ron. Creese was an old variation of kris, and early on many Americans didn't make (care to make) much of a distinction in nomenclature. I also agree that it is the angle and lighting that make the other barong look different to me.

4th May 2014, 05:53 AM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	I would like to thank everyone so far for their very much appreciated opinions and help on this. Kino, thank you for the comparative photo of your barong that helps to show how the camera angle can make an object appear very different from how it actually looks. I'm still not so sure that the photos I have posted show a Jungayan pommel on the sword in question, or if what looks to be part of the hilt is actually some kind of debris laying on the ground behind the subject. If you look real close at either of the above photos the very end section (possible Jungayan pommel) seems to be casting a shadow. Or like I said earlier, it could all just be that my not so great anymore vision is causing me to see things that are not there.

4th May 2014, 12:54 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Kino, That example of your's sure looks spot on with the one in the photo.