3 large yataghan (T-spine, T-pommel, Turkish Ribbon)

Zifir · 19th March 2014, 07:26 PM

I will start with the post #5:

As far as I see it's; li-sene 1331 / Year 1912/13

The inscription:
Lâ fetâ illâ Ali, lâ seyfe illâ Zülfikâr / There is no hero like Ali, there is no sword like his sword (zülfikar)

Zifir · 19th March 2014, 07:53 PM

Post # 4

Maşae Allah, 1239, sahib Mustafa / As Allah wishes or willed (a phrase used to show appreciation -as well as to avoid casting a bad eye on something), Year 1823-24, owner Mustafa

Emmanuel can you post the rest of this picture, because I cannot be sure without seeing it.

Emanuel · 19th March 2014, 07:55 PM

Great, thanks Zifir!
That matches the 1913 on the scabbard then. So this makes the large yataghan the latest I have seen, and an example of 20th century production

This also matches what Sancar and others have said concerning these monster yataghan with T-pommel being more for show. The craftsmanship is quite poor, despite the large quantity of steel.

I will take better pictures of the inscription on the bottom one tomorrow.

Emanuel

TVV · 19th March 2014, 10:21 PM

Nice yataghans Emanuel, all testaments to the longevity of this blade design, which remained in use in Asia Minor and the Balkans until WWI. I believe there is a good chance at least 2 of the 3, if not all 3, have Turkish ribbon blades. Look forward to seeing them after you etch them.

Teodor

archer burak · 21st March 2014, 09:39 PM

very good yatağans cong...

Zifir · 23rd March 2014, 04:50 PM

Post # 2
Names of seven sleepers and their dog:
Yemliha, Meksalina, Mislina, Mernuş, Debernuş, Sazenuş, Kefestetayuş, Kıtmir

Zifir · 23rd March 2014, 05:48 PM

Post #3,
similarly some of the names of seven sleepers:
Yemliha, Meksalina, Mislina, Mernuş, Debernuş
but the rest are missing.

I am not very sure about the makers name, and I could not the second inscription.

Emanuel · 24th March 2014, 05:45 PM

Many thanks for the translations Zifir!

I think I pretty much covered all of the inscriptions but I will check and upload anything missing.

Just trying my hand at etching using 1:3 ferric chloride:water solution. I shouldn't have any problem with the silver inlay should I?

sfenoid13 · 31st July 2014, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zifir

Post # 2
Names of seven sleepers and their dog:
Yemliha, Meksalina, Mislina, Mernuş, Debernuş, Sazenuş, Kefestetayuş, Kıtmir

what language are these spelled in? it doesnt look like Ottoman..

Zifir · 31st July 2014, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfenoid13

what language are these spelled in? it doesnt look like Ottoman..

I believe they are arabified versions of Roman names.

Ottoman Turks probably learned them through Arab/Islamic sources.

19th March 2014, 07:53 PM	#2
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Post # 4 Maşae Allah, 1239, sahib Mustafa / As Allah wishes or willed (a phrase used to show appreciation -as well as to avoid casting a bad eye on something), Year 1823-24, owner Mustafa Emmanuel can you post the rest of this picture, because I cannot be sure without seeing it. Attached Images

23rd March 2014, 05:48 PM	#7
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Post #3, similarly some of the names of seven sleepers: Yemliha, Meksalina, Mislina, Mernuş, Debernuş but the rest are missing. I am not very sure about the makers name, and I could not the second inscription. Attached Images

19th March 2014, 07:26 PM	#1
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	I will start with the post #5: As far as I see it's; li-sene 1331 / Year 1912/13 The inscription: Lâ fetâ illâ Ali, lâ seyfe illâ Zülfikâr / There is no hero like Ali, there is no sword like his sword (zülfikar)

19th March 2014, 07:55 PM	#3
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Great, thanks Zifir! That matches the 1913 on the scabbard then. So this makes the large yataghan the latest I have seen, and an example of 20th century production This also matches what Sancar and others have said concerning these monster yataghan with T-pommel being more for show. The craftsmanship is quite poor, despite the large quantity of steel. I will take better pictures of the inscription on the bottom one tomorrow. Emanuel Last edited by Emanuel; 19th March 2014 at 09:21 PM.

19th March 2014, 10:21 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,660	Nice yataghans Emanuel, all testaments to the longevity of this blade design, which remained in use in Asia Minor and the Balkans until WWI. I believe there is a good chance at least 2 of the 3, if not all 3, have Turkish ribbon blades. Look forward to seeing them after you etch them. Teodor

21st March 2014, 09:39 PM	#5
archer burak Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: İstanbul Posts: 22	very good yatağans cong...

23rd March 2014, 04:50 PM	#6
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	Post # 2 Names of seven sleepers and their dog: Yemliha, Meksalina, Mislina, Mernuş, Debernuş, Sazenuş, Kefestetayuş, Kıtmir

24th March 2014, 05:45 PM	#8
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Many thanks for the translations Zifir! I think I pretty much covered all of the inscriptions but I will check and upload anything missing. Just trying my hand at etching using 1:3 ferric chloride:water solution. I shouldn't have any problem with the silver inlay should I?