The ultimate meteorite Keris!

nechesh · 13th November 2005, 05:48 PM

As per Jens provided quote the Indians obviously did some experimenting with the material as well. Again, not in any common practice as far as i know. There are a few modern bladesmiths who have used meteorite in purely contemporary creations.

Pusaka · 13th November 2005, 07:12 PM

Just realised that if you made meteorite steel from two different types of meteorite, one with a high nickel content and one with a lower nickel content you could forge them together and still have a pamor because of the contrast between the two different meteorites. The keris blade would still be 100% meteorite steel

Pusaka · 18th November 2005, 08:08 PM

Well I think that Chinge meteorite (16%Ni) steel would be good for the pamor and perhaps Gibeon meteorite steel (6%Ni) for the rest of the blade. There should be a good contrast between these two meteorite steels so pamor will be very visible.
For all those who think that the symbolism of union, meteorite from above and iron from earth below will be lost. Carbon from Earth (below) and meteorite from above, the symbolism would be the same but I bet the keris would be extremely beautiful. Its possible but difficult. Anybody who succeeded in producing it would certainly be remembered in Keris history, with me the inventor

nechesh · 18th November 2005, 09:16 PM

Yes Pusaka, you would certainly become a legend.

Pusaka · 18th November 2005, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

Yes Pusaka, you would certainly become a legend.

You don’t think it’s possible ? I was talking to a material scientist who said its very possible!

nechesh · 18th November 2005, 11:15 PM

Is it possible? Of course! Never even hinted it wasn't. My comment was in reference to the size of the ego that might be needed to claim it as their invention.

Would it be costly? Most certainly. The amount of meterorite to accomplish this feat alone would come to a small fortune. Then the cost of an extremely skilled pande or empu (if you could find one) would also be extravagant. Meteorite is a VERY difficult material to work with just as pamor, but to create an entire keris from it would require a keris maker of the highest order. Besides, you would only want the best to be working with such high priced material. So who is going to make this keris for you. Not your material scientist.
Would it be any more beautiful than the best of keris made from terrestial metals. I do not see why it would. The elements are the elements, after all. There are no elements in meteorite that do not already exist here on Earth. But i guess that for some the grass is always greemer on the other side of the asteriod.

And you know, you will still need to treat it with arsenic and lime to blacken the iron and raise the pamor just like other keris.

So by all means, acquire the meteorite, find the empu, make your keris, make history! I would, in all sincerity, love to see you do it. I am sure many others would too. As i stated before, have at it boy. We wait with bated breath!

Pusaka · 19th November 2005, 12:57 AM

Actually the meteorite Iron would have to be converted into meteorite steel first and then sent to the keris worker as meteorite steel. There is no empu who has a furnace capable of doing this as they use very basic charcoal furnaces. Luckily a friend of mine has such a furnace so I intend to let him convert the Iron to steel. After all it’s only a matter of de-gassing the meteorite and adding the correct amount of carbon black, and then the impurities can be removed.
So you see it’s not as difficult as you make out. The reason why keris workers find it so hard to work with meteorites is because they are full of impurity’s, they are Iron not steel and they tend to break up when heated and are very difficult to forge. However if I gave the keris worker a lump of purified meteorite steel which will be easy to work he should have no more problems forging it then he would a common keris. So you see it not as complicated as you make out. Yes the meteorite would be expensive but that’s about all you got right

13th November 2005, 05:48 PM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	As per Jens provided quote the Indians obviously did some experimenting with the material as well. Again, not in any common practice as far as i know. There are a few modern bladesmiths who have used meteorite in purely contemporary creations.

13th November 2005, 07:12 PM	#2
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Just realised that if you made meteorite steel from two different types of meteorite, one with a high nickel content and one with a lower nickel content you could forge them together and still have a pamor because of the contrast between the two different meteorites. The keris blade would still be 100% meteorite steel

18th November 2005, 08:08 PM	#3
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Well I think that Chinge meteorite (16%Ni) steel would be good for the pamor and perhaps Gibeon meteorite steel (6%Ni) for the rest of the blade. There should be a good contrast between these two meteorite steels so pamor will be very visible. For all those who think that the symbolism of union, meteorite from above and iron from earth below will be lost. Carbon from Earth (below) and meteorite from above, the symbolism would be the same but I bet the keris would be extremely beautiful. Its possible but difficult. Anybody who succeeded in producing it would certainly be remembered in Keris history, with me the inventor

18th November 2005, 09:16 PM	#4
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Yes Pusaka, you would certainly become a legend.

18th November 2005, 11:15 PM	#6
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Is it possible? Of course! Never even hinted it wasn't. My comment was in reference to the size of the ego that might be needed to claim it as their invention. Would it be costly? Most certainly. The amount of meterorite to accomplish this feat alone would come to a small fortune. Then the cost of an extremely skilled pande or empu (if you could find one) would also be extravagant. Meteorite is a VERY difficult material to work with just as pamor, but to create an entire keris from it would require a keris maker of the highest order. Besides, you would only want the best to be working with such high priced material. So who is going to make this keris for you. Not your material scientist. Would it be any more beautiful than the best of keris made from terrestial metals. I do not see why it would. The elements are the elements, after all. There are no elements in meteorite that do not already exist here on Earth. But i guess that for some the grass is always greemer on the other side of the asteriod. And you know, you will still need to treat it with arsenic and lime to blacken the iron and raise the pamor just like other keris. So by all means, acquire the meteorite, find the empu, make your keris, make history! I would, in all sincerity, love to see you do it. I am sure many others would too. As i stated before, have at it boy. We wait with bated breath!

19th November 2005, 12:57 AM	#7
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Actually the meteorite Iron would have to be converted into meteorite steel first and then sent to the keris worker as meteorite steel. There is no empu who has a furnace capable of doing this as they use very basic charcoal furnaces. Luckily a friend of mine has such a furnace so I intend to let him convert the Iron to steel. After all it’s only a matter of de-gassing the meteorite and adding the correct amount of carbon black, and then the impurities can be removed. So you see it’s not as difficult as you make out. The reason why keris workers find it so hard to work with meteorites is because they are full of impurity’s, they are Iron not steel and they tend to break up when heated and are very difficult to forge. However if I gave the keris worker a lump of purified meteorite steel which will be easy to work he should have no more problems forging it then he would a common keris. So you see it not as complicated as you make out. Yes the meteorite would be expensive but that’s about all you got right