Moro Kris Swords

[David]

Originally Posted by VANDOO

ITEM #4 APPEARS TO BE CLOSER TO A KERIS ,INDONESIAN THAN TRADITIONAL MORO. THE HANDLE VERY KERIS LIKE AND THE FERRULE MORE LIKE THAT FOUND ON THE MORE RECENT GUNONG DAGGERS. IT MAKES ONE WONDER IF THIS SORT OF FERRULE WAS NOT DEVELOPED FOR THE GUNONG BASED ON THE MEDAK AND SELUT FOUND ON INDONESIAN KERIS. THE SCABBARD IS VERY CLOSE TO THE INDONESIAN KERIS RATHER THAN TRADITIONAL MORO FORM. THE BLADE IS MORO FORM.
ITEM #6 THE TIP OF THE SCABBARD IS OPEN WORK CARVED IN A FASHON I HAVE SEEN IN LOMBOK AND BALI.

Barry, i assume that you are using the first image for your counting and going top to bottom.
If that is the case, the style of #4 is one i have seen many times from the Philippines and i don't see that much Indonesian in it. This hilt form has some precedent in Moro blades AFAIK. Of course it is fair to say that everything about the Moro kris is influenced by the Indonesian keris is some way, but i wouldn't necessarily identify this style as being closer to the Indo keris.
Because i am afraid Edmos might get the wrong idea from what you are saying about influences i will reiterate that none of these blades originated in Indonesia.
I would have to see closer, more detailed shots of the two kris to the left of the second photo before committing to them being older blades. They very possibly are, but the photos just aren't clear enough.