Java keris for considertation/comment

David · 1st March 2014, 05:13 PM

Thanks Erik, much appreciated!

erikscollectables · 9th March 2014, 02:51 PM

Any more input? Hope to receive more opinions!

Regards, Erik

A. G. Maisey · 9th March 2014, 10:00 PM

Erik, please do not interpret what I shall write as criticism, it is not, I am only attempting to guide you to a more productive way in which to gain information.

When a question is asked that does not focus on a specific aspect, it becomes what I call a "nature of the universe" question. It is open ended and spongy.

If you want specific answers, or even specific comment, it is best to ask specific questions.

For example, I could ask somebody:- " what's the weather like today"

He could answer:- " oh, not bad, pretty OK"

But he hasn't told me if it is raining, or likely to rain, and that's what I wanted to know.

Specific questions get specific answers.

If you want more comment on your keris try to home in on exactly what you would like to know.

erikscollectables · 10th March 2014, 09:45 PM

I understand and what I was looking for is the following
a) is there an specific/established dapur for this kerisform (and if so what is it)?
b) has the end curve of the ganja wilut broken of or would this be part of the dapur?
b) an estimation of tangguh

Best regards, Erik

A. G. Maisey · 11th March 2014, 12:46 PM

a) --- There is no comparable dhapur in the Surakarta Pakem, but that does not mean that this was not a legitimate dhapur at the time it was made and in the place where it was made

b) --- This keris is very badly eroded, we can only guess at what might have been there before time stole it. I don't like guessing all that much.

c) --- I cannot classify this keris from photos. It has elements that suggest East Jawa, but "East Jawa" is not a recognised tangguh. Erik, something that has been forgotten about tangguh is this:- it arose to fulfill a societal need and it was originally intended to apply only to very high quality keris in very good condition:- keris of investment quality. For a long time now that has not been the case, everybody wants to slap a tangguh on every keris they see. I do not agree with this approach and prefer not to get involved with it.

erikscollectables · 11th March 2014, 07:56 PM

Thank you Mr Maisey!

Regards, Erik

1st March 2014, 05:13 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,209	Thanks Erik, much appreciated!

9th March 2014, 02:51 PM	#2
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Any more input? Hope to receive more opinions! Regards, Erik

9th March 2014, 10:00 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	Erik, please do not interpret what I shall write as criticism, it is not, I am only attempting to guide you to a more productive way in which to gain information. When a question is asked that does not focus on a specific aspect, it becomes what I call a "nature of the universe" question. It is open ended and spongy. If you want specific answers, or even specific comment, it is best to ask specific questions. For example, I could ask somebody:- " what's the weather like today" He could answer:- " oh, not bad, pretty OK" But he hasn't told me if it is raining, or likely to rain, and that's what I wanted to know. Specific questions get specific answers. If you want more comment on your keris try to home in on exactly what you would like to know.

10th March 2014, 09:45 PM	#4
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	I understand and what I was looking for is the following a) is there an specific/established dapur for this kerisform (and if so what is it)? b) has the end curve of the ganja wilut broken of or would this be part of the dapur? b) an estimation of tangguh Best regards, Erik

11th March 2014, 12:46 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,989	a) --- There is no comparable dhapur in the Surakarta Pakem, but that does not mean that this was not a legitimate dhapur at the time it was made and in the place where it was made b) --- This keris is very badly eroded, we can only guess at what might have been there before time stole it. I don't like guessing all that much. c) --- I cannot classify this keris from photos. It has elements that suggest East Jawa, but "East Jawa" is not a recognised tangguh. Erik, something that has been forgotten about tangguh is this:- it arose to fulfill a societal need and it was originally intended to apply only to very high quality keris in very good condition:- keris of investment quality. For a long time now that has not been the case, everybody wants to slap a tangguh on every keris they see. I do not agree with this approach and prefer not to get involved with it.

11th March 2014, 07:56 PM	#6
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Thank you Mr Maisey! Regards, Erik