And again a kris! - Page 2

Battara · 5th February 2014, 01:11 AM

Yes my opinion has changed since I have done more research. I now think this whole thing is from Tawi-Tawi island in the Sulu region.

T. Koch · 6th February 2014, 07:19 PM

Daaaaamn that's sick, Detlef!! What a great mission you've undertaken with this one! Love it, please take some more pics when you have it.

This type of "elephant" is also my favorite of any found on all the kris/keris/sundang.

Jose, you are totally a wizard, that work looks amazing! With the caliber of stuff you hold though, you should seriously consider asking Santa for a new camera this year.

...or maybe we should all chip in!?

Awesome you guys!

Best wishes, Thor

Sajen · 6th February 2014, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by T. Koch

Daaaaamn that's sick, Detlef!! What a great mission you've undertaken with this one! Love it, please take some more pics when you have it.

This type of "elephant" is also my favorite of any found on all the kris/keris/sundang.

Thank you Thor! I only have had two options, either let it in this poor state like I have received it or let work this two excellent restorer on it.
Will post pictures when I have received it.

Regards,

Detlef

ThePepperSkull · 23rd February 2014, 08:16 AM

WOW on the restoration. Unbelievably beautiful job!

Battara · 23rd February 2014, 08:10 PM

Thank you folks.

I have yet to re-engrave and then re-inlay the missing silver, and then make a Tawi-Tawi scabbard.

Oh and I apologize about my horrible camera techniques. Trying to work on that.

paolom · 28th February 2014, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

Just cleaned the blade and think that it was done before but very unprofessional maybe with some sort of grinding machine and now it is to seen that the inlays orginally going much more down to the tip of the blade but there only remains still to seen.

Jose maybe know if this can be restored.

hi Sajen, I'm new to the forum and I was looking today to this post.
the clean up of teh blede looks wonderful and I would like to ask you how did yoo achieve this result. Did you work the blade surface machanically (sandpaper, abrasive stone or similar) or chemically?
I always wonder if it is "right" to use sandpaper (of course by hand), even if of very fine grade (say 800), on old blades to get rid of the rust.
Thanks
Paolo

Sajen · 28th February 2014, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by paolom

hi Sajen, I'm new to the forum and I was looking today to this post.
the clean up of teh blede looks wonderful and I would like to ask you how did yoo achieve this result. Did you work the blade surface machanically (sandpaper, abrasive stone or similar) or chemically?
I always wonder if it is "right" to use sandpaper (of course by hand), even if of very fine grade (say 800), on old blades to get rid of the rust.
Thanks
Paolo

Hi Paolo,

first welcome to the forum!

In this case I've used wet-sandpaper (here 600) in combination with WD40. According to circumstances of corrosion I use finer grade of sandpaper or steel-wool and this, like you write, of course by hand.

Regards,
Detlef

paolom · 1st March 2014, 10:06 AM

Thank you Sajen for the quick reply

Paolo

Sajen · 1st March 2014, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by paolom

Thank you Sajen for the quick reply

Paolo

You are welcome!

Battara · 31st May 2015, 05:49 PM

Ok I finally finished the silver inlay on the blade. Here are some pictures:

Sajen · 1st June 2015, 01:51 PM

Since nobody comment until now: Good work Jose!

Special because the remaining grooves have been very thin.

Thank you again,
Detlef

CharlesS · 2nd June 2015, 12:05 AM

I apologize for not complimenting it earlier. I think I just have become spoiled and always assuming the best from Battara!

It does, indeed, look great!

Robert · 2nd June 2015, 05:15 AM

Another beautiful example of work masterfully executed by Jose. If you do not mind my asking, when doing this type of restoration work are you using dead soft sterling wire for the inlay or silver wire of a lower silver content like silver solder?

Best,
Robert

Sajen · 2nd June 2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlesS

I apologize for not complimenting it earlier. I think I just have become spoiled and always assuming the best from Battara!

It does, indeed, look great!

Thank you Charles,
and I am aware that the compliment is mainly for Jose who bring this neglected blade again to life.

Here again the picture from the seller in the state I get this kris.

Regards,
Detlef

David · 2nd June 2015, 05:49 PM

Damn José! Nice job...back from the brink of death...

Battara · 2nd June 2015, 11:14 PM

Thank you folks. You are very kind.

Robert I use dead soft sterling silver wire. I don't like the look of silver solder, and it does not match what they did in effect or in authentic original technique.

Robert · 3rd June 2015, 03:29 AM

Thank you Jose. I was only wondering because some of the silver inlay that I have seen has had that dead dull look to it like easy silver solder gets if left exposed to the air for too long. I imagine that it might have been a silver alloy of some type that had been used in the inlay on those pieces. Again, wonderful work.
Detlef, your good catch has now been transformed into a great one that I and I am sure many others as well would love to have for their own collections. Congratulations for being able to see past the damage, and for having this sword given the respect, care and attention that it was earlier denied.

Best,
Robert

Battara · 3rd June 2015, 04:49 AM

I agree Robert that sometimes it maybe the alloy used. Also of course time and wear on soft materials like silver can make it dull as well.

Sajen · 3rd June 2015, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert

Detlef, your good catch has now been transformed into a great one that I and I am sure many others as well would love to have for their own collections. Congratulations for being able to see past the damage, and for having this sword given the respect, care and attention that it was earlier denied.

Thank you very much Robert! It would have been a shame to let this nice blade in the state like I have received it. A description of this kris will be: "An antique kris from possible Tawi-Tawi, original wooden handle is restored, silver fittings and baca-baca new created by Jose Albivois, silver inlays restored by the same person."

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 3rd January 2016, 05:52 AM

Finally here are pictures of the finished project.

Enjoy!

Sajen · 3rd January 2016, 12:42 PM

Hello Jose,

great result and a big compliment from me!

Here some additional pictures.

Sajen · 3rd January 2016, 12:49 PM

And here again a picture how I received this piece and after all restauration is done.

Robert · 9th January 2016, 05:50 AM

What a transformation Detlef. You can hardly believe that it is the same sword shown in the before photos. Wonderful work as always Jose, very impressive.

Best,
Robert

Battara · 10th January 2016, 02:06 AM

Thank you Robert. This was a long difficult project, but I always want to make sure that whatever I do, I do it right!

Robert · 10th January 2016, 05:09 AM

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I always want to make sure that whatever I do, I do it right!

Jose, While everything on this is very nicely done the re-channeling of the blade (where needed) and the replacing of the missing silver inlay is absolutely exceptional work. Someone who had never seen this piece before and not known that the inlay was the mess you had to deal with would think it was all original to the blade and just in pristine condition. The photos really do not do justice to your skill and the level of quality you have achieved in one of the most difficult areas of restoration work. Anyone who has ever attempted the replacement of missing inlay in the traditional manner knows what I am speaking of. Again, my congratulations to you on a job most expertly done.

Best Regards,
Robert

Sajen · 10th January 2016, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert

What a transformation Detlef. You can hardly believe that it is the same sword shown in the before photos.

Hello Robert,

it will get a place of honor at my wall!

Regards,
Detlef

31st May 2015, 05:49 PM	#40
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Ok I finally finished the silver inlay on the blade. Here are some pictures: Attached Images

1st June 2015, 01:51 PM	#41
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,125	Since nobody comment until now: Good work Jose! Special because the remaining grooves have been very thin. Thank you again, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 2nd June 2015 at 06:37 AM.

3rd January 2016, 05:52 AM	#50
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Finally here are pictures of the finished project. Enjoy! Attached Images

3rd January 2016, 12:42 PM	#51
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,125	Hello Jose, great result and a big compliment from me! Here some additional pictures. Attached Images

3rd January 2016, 12:49 PM	#52
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,125	And here again a picture how I received this piece and after all restauration is done. Attached Images

5th February 2014, 01:11 AM	#31
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Yes my opinion has changed since I have done more research. I now think this whole thing is from Tawi-Tawi island in the Sulu region.

6th February 2014, 07:19 PM	#32
T. Koch Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Mother North Posts: 189	Daaaaamn that's sick, Detlef!! What a great mission you've undertaken with this one! Love it, please take some more pics when you have it. This type of "elephant" is also my favorite of any found on all the kris/keris/sundang. Jose, you are totally a wizard, that work looks amazing! With the caliber of stuff you hold though, you should seriously consider asking Santa for a new camera this year. ...or maybe we should all chip in!? Awesome you guys! Best wishes, Thor

23rd February 2014, 08:16 AM	#34
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	WOW on the restoration. Unbelievably beautiful job!

23rd February 2014, 08:10 PM	#35
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Thank you folks. I have yet to re-engrave and then re-inlay the missing silver, and then make a Tawi-Tawi scabbard. Oh and I apologize about my horrible camera techniques. Trying to work on that.

1st March 2014, 10:06 AM	#38
paolom Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Tokyo, Japan Posts: 2	Thank you Sajen for the quick reply Paolo

2nd June 2015, 12:05 AM	#42
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I apologize for not complimenting it earlier. I think I just have become spoiled and always assuming the best from Battara! It does, indeed, look great!

2nd June 2015, 05:15 AM	#43
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Another beautiful example of work masterfully executed by Jose. If you do not mind my asking, when doing this type of restoration work are you using dead soft sterling wire for the inlay or silver wire of a lower silver content like silver solder? Best, Robert

2nd June 2015, 05:49 PM	#45
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,199	Damn José! Nice job...back from the brink of death...

2nd June 2015, 11:14 PM	#46
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Thank you folks. You are very kind. Robert I use dead soft sterling silver wire. I don't like the look of silver solder, and it does not match what they did in effect or in authentic original technique.

3rd June 2015, 03:29 AM	#47
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Thank you Jose. I was only wondering because some of the silver inlay that I have seen has had that dead dull look to it like easy silver solder gets if left exposed to the air for too long. I imagine that it might have been a silver alloy of some type that had been used in the inlay on those pieces. Again, wonderful work. Detlef, your good catch has now been transformed into a great one that I and I am sure many others as well would love to have for their own collections. Congratulations for being able to see past the damage, and for having this sword given the respect, care and attention that it was earlier denied. Best, Robert

3rd June 2015, 04:49 AM	#48
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	I agree Robert that sometimes it maybe the alloy used. Also of course time and wear on soft materials like silver can make it dull as well.

9th January 2016, 05:50 AM	#53
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	What a transformation Detlef. You can hardly believe that it is the same sword shown in the before photos. Wonderful work as always Jose, very impressive. Best, Robert

10th January 2016, 02:06 AM	#54
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Thank you Robert. This was a long difficult project, but I always want to make sure that whatever I do, I do it right!