Unknown keris

Sajen · 4th February 2014, 08:43 PM

I would place this interesting keris to East Java, I don't think that it mismatched. The wrongko is clearly East Java and I think the blade also. And a Solo hilt isn't very uncommon by a East Java keris in my opnion. Would like to see how the blade fit inside the scabbard. I personally like this keris.

Regards,
Detlef

A. G. Maisey · 6th February 2014, 01:28 AM

Well, it seems as if nobody else wishes to comment.

Yes Detlef, I also would be inclined to place this keris as East Jawa/Madura. The wrongko is capu kagok, and that is a common form in Madura, the mendak style is common in Madura. The planar hilt could well be either a Madura or East Jawa hilt, usually the cecekan in the non-Jawa tengah ones is a bit different to ones from the heart country.

Here is the blade in an easier to read orientation.

The references I have for dhapur are all for Surakarta, in my opinion, even if this dhapur exists in one of those pakems, it probably should not be applied to this keris.

KLUNGKLUNG · 6th February 2014, 08:03 AM

Thanks gentlemen,

Agree with both Detlef and Alan that its origin ( yepp, sorry for the mistake but that was what I was aiming at) could be Madura / East-Java because of the mentioned features.
Will show proper pics after receipt of it but it might already be interesting to observe the similarities of my keris compared to a Megantara keris: the fuller in the mid reaching almost towards the very tip is remarkable.
By the way, English is not my native language and 'worse' I am a female collector

David · 6th February 2014, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by KLUNGKLUNG

By the way, English is not my native language and 'worse' I am a female collector

Ah, well please forgive me then for referring to you as "he" previously. Frankly we need more women around here to keep these boys in line.

A. G. Maisey · 6th February 2014, 08:58 PM

Klungkung, for about 20 years I used to sell keris at Arms Fairs. I used to enjoy this a lot. A two meter table with a dark green cloth cover, a couple of racks of keris together with other sharp pointy things scattered over the table, including knives and blades I'd made myself using spring steel, 01, and damascus.

Because of the fragrant oil that we put on keris blades there was always a nice fragrance around my table, and that fragrance would attract women. While the husbands were off oohing and aahing over AK47's and similar entrancing objects of desire, their wives and girlfriends would surround my table.

I loved those arms fairs.

A couple of women from those days have developed into very perceptive and discerning collectors of the keris. Regrettably, none have become students of the keris, but from a purely collector philosophy these women are as good and often better than any of the male collectors I know.

In understanding the physical form of the keris a fine attention to detail is required. Many women seem to possess this faculty to a higher degree than the majority of men.

There is nothing "worse" about being a lady aficionado of the keris.

6th February 2014, 01:28 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Well, it seems as if nobody else wishes to comment. Yes Detlef, I also would be inclined to place this keris as East Jawa/Madura. The wrongko is capu kagok, and that is a common form in Madura, the mendak style is common in Madura. The planar hilt could well be either a Madura or East Jawa hilt, usually the cecekan in the non-Jawa tengah ones is a bit different to ones from the heart country. Here is the blade in an easier to read orientation. The references I have for dhapur are all for Surakarta, in my opinion, even if this dhapur exists in one of those pakems, it probably should not be applied to this keris. Attached Images

6th February 2014, 08:03 AM	#3
KLUNGKLUNG Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 24	Thanks gentlemen, Agree with both Detlef and Alan that its origin ( yepp, sorry for the mistake but that was what I was aiming at) could be Madura / East-Java because of the mentioned features. Will show proper pics after receipt of it but it might already be interesting to observe the similarities of my keris compared to a Megantara keris: the fuller in the mid reaching almost towards the very tip is remarkable. By the way, English is not my native language and 'worse' I am a female collector Attached Images

4th February 2014, 08:43 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	I would place this interesting keris to East Java, I don't think that it mismatched. The wrongko is clearly East Java and I think the blade also. And a Solo hilt isn't very uncommon by a East Java keris in my opnion. Would like to see how the blade fit inside the scabbard. I personally like this keris. Regards, Detlef

6th February 2014, 08:58 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,991	Klungkung, for about 20 years I used to sell keris at Arms Fairs. I used to enjoy this a lot. A two meter table with a dark green cloth cover, a couple of racks of keris together with other sharp pointy things scattered over the table, including knives and blades I'd made myself using spring steel, 01, and damascus. Because of the fragrant oil that we put on keris blades there was always a nice fragrance around my table, and that fragrance would attract women. While the husbands were off oohing and aahing over AK47's and similar entrancing objects of desire, their wives and girlfriends would surround my table. I loved those arms fairs. A couple of women from those days have developed into very perceptive and discerning collectors of the keris. Regrettably, none have become students of the keris, but from a purely collector philosophy these women are as good and often better than any of the male collectors I know. In understanding the physical form of the keris a fine attention to detail is required. Many women seem to possess this faculty to a higher degree than the majority of men. There is nothing "worse" about being a lady aficionado of the keris.