Another Moro sword for ID

LabanTayo · 7th November 2005, 03:53 AM

Dang, I leave home for a few hours and the house gets cleaned!!!!!

Thanks Rick and Ian.

But who's going to clean the windows??
Thanks to Nechesh and others for defending the cause.

Now, my opinion of the swords that started this throwdown.
1. Its a newer made sword to resemble a Barong with the locals twist of style added to it. I think Palawan because of the curvy lines or Basilan because of the belt notch carved into the scabbard, just like Pira scabbards, but I'm sure Zamboanga can have a better opinion, considering his location.

2. Definetely a T'boli interpretation of a Moro Kalis Tulid, with not much attention to detail in the gangya and 'gandik' area.

Just my uneducated opinion that could be way of base.

zamboanga · 7th November 2005, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LabanTayo

Now, my opinion of the swords that started this throwdown.
1. Its a newer made sword to resemble a Barong with the locals twist of style added to it. I think Palawan because of the curvy lines or Basilan because of the belt notch carved into the scabbard, just like Pira scabbards, but I'm sure Zamboanga can have a better opinion, considering his location.

Hi LabanTayo,

I agree with you that it is a newly made sword. I'm sure it's maranao-made and I agree with Battara's earlier comment that it is made for the market.

My tausug and yakan friends are thrown in a frenzy whenever they see these on the market. They don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Battara · 7th November 2005, 05:57 AM

First to the moderators - salamat po!

Secondly, Zelbone, I do wish you would post more. I and others with whom I speak learn much from you and others like yourself on this forum.

Third, Zamboanga, I'm curious what the Yakan and Tausugs do say about these that come on the market.

zamboanga · 7th November 2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

First to the moderators - salamat po!

Secondly, Zelbone, I do wish you would post more. I and others with whom I speak learn much from you and others like yourself on this forum.

Third, Zamboanga, I'm curious what the Yakan and Tausugs do say about these that come on the market.

Maybe I can sum up their thoughts as follows:

To them these are simply barong wannabees. The blade profile is wrong; the puhan profile is wrong; no ukkil on the puhan; the blade is usually thin and not laminated, etc. And mostly of all, these are not made or produced by people who are historically associated with the barong.

In essence: paraded as barongs, now that makes them laugh. To attract such a high price because of this pretension, that makes them cry.

Battara · 7th November 2005, 10:20 AM

Thank you, Zamboanga. This is helpful. I have noticed that same thing in this description, and wonder about the types I have seen that are so narrow (and thin) that I question that they are truly barongs. Some call these sipput, though I cannot say that I have examined all of this type. Certainly those similar to what we are discussing are not what I have called "legitimate" but in respect to those who have objected, I don't use the term "tourist" in public.

MABAGANI · 7th November 2005, 08:54 PM

Zel, holding back? any new info on the demonhead "sundang"...lol

LabanTayo · 7th November 2005, 10:49 PM

Mabagani,
The news is that they're calling it sundang in the south, north and middle, and sometimes in hong kong, they call it siao pao.
They used to be called talibong in the mid 40's and bolo in the 70's.
Before 1898, they were called espada.
I hope that clarifies everything for ya.

btw, that was total sarcasm......

7th November 2005, 03:53 AM	#1
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	Dang, I leave home for a few hours and the house gets cleaned!!!!! Thanks Rick and Ian. But who's going to clean the windows?? Thanks to Nechesh and others for defending the cause. Now, my opinion of the swords that started this throwdown. 1. Its a newer made sword to resemble a Barong with the locals twist of style added to it. I think Palawan because of the curvy lines or Basilan because of the belt notch carved into the scabbard, just like Pira scabbards, but I'm sure Zamboanga can have a better opinion, considering his location. 2. Definetely a T'boli interpretation of a Moro Kalis Tulid, with not much attention to detail in the gangya and 'gandik' area. Just my uneducated opinion that could be way of base. Last edited by LabanTayo; 7th November 2005 at 04:06 AM.

7th November 2005, 05:57 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	First to the moderators - salamat po! Secondly, Zelbone, I do wish you would post more. I and others with whom I speak learn much from you and others like yourself on this forum. Third, Zamboanga, I'm curious what the Yakan and Tausugs do say about these that come on the market.

7th November 2005, 10:20 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	Thank you, Zamboanga. This is helpful. I have noticed that same thing in this description, and wonder about the types I have seen that are so narrow (and thin) that I question that they are truly barongs. Some call these sipput, though I cannot say that I have examined all of this type. Certainly those similar to what we are discussing are not what I have called "legitimate" but in respect to those who have objected, I don't use the term "tourist" in public.

7th November 2005, 08:54 PM	#6
MABAGANI Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 221	Zel, holding back? any new info on the demonhead "sundang"...lol

7th November 2005, 10:49 PM	#7
LabanTayo Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kansas City Posts: 177	Mabagani, The news is that they're calling it sundang in the south, north and middle, and sometimes in hong kong, they call it siao pao. They used to be called talibong in the mid 40's and bolo in the 70's. Before 1898, they were called espada. I hope that clarifies everything for ya. btw, that was total sarcasm......