Dating a matchlock & a wheellock

Matchlock · 25th December 2013, 08:44 AM

Like I expected, the bandelier rod and ring are missing, the iron finial seems to be missing from the tip of the ramrod, and this carbine with the rounded paddle-shaped buttstock is much later than I thought, ca. 1670-90, so there is no longer any connection with the Thirty Years War. If I remember it correctly, Sweden even had the last wheellock carbine model out in as late as 1704. The stock might be of fruitwood or walnut, Sweden preferred birch.

As this is my main expertise, it would be great if I could see the carbine SVL marks, as well as those on the barrel and lock of the matchlock musket, and better photos of the latter.

It is the form and style of the makers marks that discern correct dating.

I can make out the backsight but are the foresight on the musket barrel and the forward nasal iron band present? Does the ramrod have its threaded iron finial (Setzerkopf)?
The overall length should be 146 or 152 cm.

The scans are from Heinrich Müller: Das Heerwesen in Brandenburg und Preußen von 1640 bis 1806 - DIE BEWAFFNUNG. Brandenburgisches Verlagshaus, 1991.

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25th December 2013, 08:44 AM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Like I expected, the bandelier rod and ring are missing, the iron finial seems to be missing from the tip of the ramrod, and this carbine with the rounded paddle-shaped buttstock is much later than I thought, ca. 1670-90, so there is no longer any connection with the Thirty Years War. If I remember it correctly, Sweden even had the last wheellock carbine model out in as late as 1704. The stock might be of fruitwood or walnut, Sweden preferred birch. As this is my main expertise, it would be great if I could see the carbine SVL marks, as well as those on the barrel and lock of the matchlock musket, and better photos of the latter. It is the form and style of the makers marks that discern correct dating. I can make out the backsight but are the foresight on the musket barrel and the forward nasal iron band present? Does the ramrod have its threaded iron finial (Setzerkopf)? The overall length should be 146 or 152 cm. The scans are from Heinrich Müller: Das Heerwesen in Brandenburg und Preußen von 1640 bis 1806 - DIE BEWAFFNUNG. Brandenburgisches Verlagshaus, 1991. m Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 25th December 2013 at 04:07 PM.