A 1548 Nuremberg Dagger-grip Over-and-Under Double Wheellock Pistol

Matchlock · 17th December 2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raf

Hullo Michael ; just returning briefly to early wheelock crosbows ; here is one I didnt know about but you probably do . Terrible photos. Kunsthistoriches Museum Vienna (D 200 ) C 1520 ? Apparently its self- spanning ...

Hullo Raf,

My computer mouse died so I could not access the forum or anything since Friday.

I was to the reserve collection of the Vienna Waffensammlung in the Kunsthistorisches Museum Wien in the 1990's when the A&A collection was closed to the public. I photographed and handled literally anything that was early and I can tell you for sure that there is no such thing there. What book exactly did you take the scans from? Should there be a book or booklet that escaped me and my greedy library?

Thanks, and best,
Michael

Raf · 17th December 2013, 05:24 PM

Michael . Collection no is D.200. Scanned from no 763 and 764; Howard L Blackmore 'Guns and Rifles of the World.' Chancellor press 1965. Unpromising title but the illustrations are well chosen and the text is I think O.K.too . You must have one somewhere ...

These are the only two images I have of the Venice crossbows. Quite different from the German example. I will try to persuade my partner to take some better pictures next time she is in Venice.

Marcus den toom · 17th December 2013, 06:05 PM

I would be suprised if Michael didn't have a beter picture, even i have on

My eyes are acting up again (need new glasses) but this is what i could find. I remember a other book with even better pictures but i will search for them tomorrow if there is no one else who beats me to it

Matchlock · 17th December 2013, 07:49 PM

Hi Raf,

Thanks, of course I have Howard Blackmore's Guns & Rifles of the World, I had just completely forgotten about those tiny two prints. It's a riddle to me how this fragment should be in Vienna. It was not there when I was.

None of the Venice crossbows (more details attached) can, according to the elongated muzzle section, be any earlier that ca. 1520; I would say 'ca. 1520-35' for all of them. The 'foot'/base of the pyrite dog and the overall shape of the dog are much more evolved than the one on the Munich crossbow combination, and screws obviously were widely in use already when these Venice combinations were made ...
The earliest-type of lock mechanidsm is that on the wheellock-axe combination, ca. 1515-20, two screws only!, see bottom attachments.

Best,
m

17th December 2013, 05:24 PM	#2
Raf Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 252	Michael . Collection no is D.200. Scanned from no 763 and 764; Howard L Blackmore 'Guns and Rifles of the World.' Chancellor press 1965. Unpromising title but the illustrations are well chosen and the text is I think O.K.too . You must have one somewhere ... These are the only two images I have of the Venice crossbows. Quite different from the German example. I will try to persuade my partner to take some better pictures next time she is in Venice. Attached Images Last edited by Raf; 17th December 2013 at 05:39 PM.

17th December 2013, 07:49 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Raf, Thanks, of course I have Howard Blackmore's Guns & Rifles of the World, I had just completely forgotten about those tiny two prints. It's a riddle to me how this fragment should be in Vienna. It was not there when I was. None of the Venice crossbows (more details attached) can, according to the elongated muzzle section, be any earlier that ca. 1520; I would say 'ca. 1520-35' for all of them. The 'foot'/base of the pyrite dog and the overall shape of the dog are much more evolved than the one on the Munich crossbow combination, and screws obviously were widely in use already when these Venice combinations were made ... The earliest-type of lock mechanidsm is that on the wheellock-axe combination, ca. 1515-20, two screws only!, see bottom attachments. Best, m Attached Images

17th December 2013, 06:05 PM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	I would be suprised if Michael didn't have a beter picture, even i have on My eyes are acting up again (need new glasses) but this is what i could find. I remember a other book with even better pictures but i will search for them tomorrow if there is no one else who beats me to it