Two Highly Remarkable Tinderlock Mechanisms, Northern Italy and Nuremberg, ca. 1550

Marcus den toom · 12th December 2013, 09:13 PM

Auction 66, lot number 263.

There is a screw left of the Mark/stamp which has been broken off ?
Or is this just the pivet point for the lock?

Matchlock · 12th December 2013, 09:54 PM

My fault, sorry, Marcus.

I have been working on and for the forum since 9 in the morning (it's an hour to midnight now).

It is a screw but entering from the inside and holding the sear in place; it is not broken off and it does not have a safety function. Each conventional matchlock must have this screw, the earlier ones (like the two I presented here) show rivets in this place.
Again my matchlock chronology 1520-1720 should help settle all questions regarding that earliest and simplest of all igniting mechanisms.

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Marcus den toom · 13th December 2013, 06:51 AM

My excitement came into the way of fact as well. Though i ussually don't see this screw stick out so far, i should have know it to be just the sear/pivot point of the lock mechanism

Matchlock · 13th December 2013, 09:23 AM

These sear screws usually are at least that prominent on all early mechanisms, icluded the long tranversal screw (Kreuzschraube) that entered at the trigger guard, fixing it plus the stock and barrel!
In the 16th and 17th centuries, nobody cared about shortening screws for optical reasons, they just used them in the length the gunsmiths received them from the screw makers. If they were a bit too long, that was better than the other way round.

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Matchlock · 20th December 2013, 12:22 PM

For a similar combined match- and tinderlock mechanism, in worse condition but struck with the Nuremberg town mark, please see my thread

A MATCHLOCK CHRONOLOGY 1520-1720,
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ap+tinder+1550,
post #25!

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13th December 2013, 09:23 AM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	These sear screws usually are at least that prominent on all early mechanisms, icluded the long tranversal screw (Kreuzschraube) that entered at the trigger guard, fixing it plus the stock and barrel! In the 16th and 17th centuries, nobody cared about shortening screws for optical reasons, they just used them in the length the gunsmiths received them from the screw makers. If they were a bit too long, that was better than the other way round. m Attached Images

12th December 2013, 09:13 PM	#1
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	Auction 66, lot number 263. There is a screw left of the Mark/stamp which has been broken off ? Or is this just the pivet point for the lock?

12th December 2013, 09:54 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	My fault, sorry, Marcus. I have been working on and for the forum since 9 in the morning (it's an hour to midnight now). It is a screw but entering from the inside and holding the sear in place; it is not broken off and it does not have a safety function. Each conventional matchlock must have this screw, the earlier ones (like the two I presented here) show rivets in this place. Again my matchlock chronology 1520-1720 should help settle all questions regarding that earliest and simplest of all igniting mechanisms. m

13th December 2013, 06:51 AM	#3
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 534	My excitement came into the way of fact as well. Though i ussually don't see this screw stick out so far, i should have know it to be just the sear/pivot point of the lock mechanism

20th December 2013, 12:22 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	For a similar combined match- and tinderlock mechanism, in worse condition but struck with the Nuremberg town mark, please see my thread A MATCHLOCK CHRONOLOGY 1520-1720, http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ap+tinder+1550, post #25! m